I feel that the whole thing can be fixed. Build a pine wood derby track, let the tracks sell “CRATE WHEELS” and watch it dye on the vein.
This forum is fine and works like most I hang out on.
I enjoyed meeting you folks at the reunion and look forward to doing that next year. Jerry or Boneman can run the Z-8 then!!
The racing in Florida is bad news except for a limited number of tracks. VCS has the car count and puts on a good show. I still have a home down there and found that the SC tracks have the same GO KART type show. If you can not win CREATE A CLASS so you can, GO KARTS used that to come up with 20 plus classes. IF you had 4 classes tops and that was it the show and car count goes up and the fans in the stands goes up.
Oh Yes, Carol I thought you where a very nice hostess at the reunion and I STLL THINK that Jerry should get top billing for the 2009 version.:ernaehrung004:
I feel a racing forum should be geared more towards the serious, technical aspects of racing. Far too many people come on here just to be silly or crack stupid jokes. This area should be used exclusively for serious discussions on racing ONLY!!!
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“I feel that the whole thing can be fixed. Build a pine wood derby track, let the tracks sell “CRATE WHEELS” and watch it dye on the vein.”
Been there done that, my cars passed tech but was protested, found legal but one of the parents got mad and took his kid and left. Long story short I was banned from pine wood derby racing by my peers (can’t be my peers cause they were too slow for us)
George…
hi… 
i know i am nice… i work at it…hahaha
we have somehow had a misunderstanding… i have never ever taken “top billing” away from Jerry Binner… I simply said that i had planned on doing what he did a few years ago and in fact had discussed it at times with Lou… however…talk is cheap and jerry stepped up to the plate and got it done! I also thanked people who helped us in the beginning stages to get in touch with people. they were a stepping stone. i will not retract that thank you because i think they deserved a thank you.
Please understand that Jerry and I are friends and we will always work together for the good of racing. we dont always agree but we work it out… Jerry has far more racing knowledge than i do… in fact he has far more knowledge than most anyone i know. I would be a fool to try and outshine Jerry! Besides i LOVE the guy who stole my idea!!! I AM ROFL!!!
hope you are well and happy George. I am so looking forward to the next reunion!
carolwicks (OZ)
Message board is boring
The reason this place is a cemetary is because of the powers that be! They see the world through rose colored glasses and want everyone to conform to that. I tried posting messages on this new board and gave up. They wouldn’t even post them because I was complaining about the new board. But they would post the same from a few of the chosen ones here.
It’s real simple it’s their board and they can do as they please. I can and will do as I please and that is visit once or twice a week compared to once or twice a day.
If this is what they want it is not a real reflection on the real world. It is simply boring now and doesn’t attract the attention it used to.
Just stating my humble opinion if it sees the light of day!
roundtracker
i dont know how long you have been using the karnac board but there are reasons for some of the changes… Jack explained why the type of message board had to be changed. it didnt have anything to do with us. it had to do with security issues and it was done for our sakes as well as Karnac.coms sake.
the “powers that be” (i am NOT one of them) have concluded that the reason alot of people left is because they got tired of being insulted because of their opinions. i even got tired of it. its ok to disagree with people but to degrade them and make them feel bad because they have an opinion is not right. if there is a person on the board you dont care for, then just skip over their name. no one HAS to read anyones post.
as for the religious posts… why is that harmful? there isnt a race that starts without a prayer. if someone doesnt believe they can skip the post. no one is recruiting members.
if you think about it RT…the people on the message board who have been here for a long time do alot for racing. Karnac and its staff work 6-7 days a week from dark to dark… there are numerous radio shows, promotions, stories, record keeping, photos and other benefits that have evolved thru KARNAC… this board is a small part of REAL RACIN USA… there is so much more.
if people like you who enjoy the board keep leaving, then the board does become a cemetary. the solution isnt hard. if someone says something and someone disagrees, they can politely say so. they dont have to get nasty.
i know many many people that come to the message boards on a personal basis… they are decent, fun, great people who left because they got tired of the constant bickering. we are all guilty of irritating others at one time or another. my kids irritate me OFTEN but i will not hurt them or leave them. we work out our problems and we move on.
dont leave the board… lets work out the problems and hope some fun racing fans and drivers will return… now remember…this is just my opinion! it isnt a history making decision…
another simple reason for the “cemetary” is that people get bored with doing the same thing day after day… but there are always new ones coming along and it will pick up again.
carolwicks (OZ)
Roundtracker hit the nail on the head.You can’t post something on here if it doesn’t conform to the select fews way of thinking.Conform seems to be a strange word to be using here considering the head honcho seems to be a non conformist himself.Hypocricy does come to mind though.I have had posts removed that were statement of fact,no name calling,no nasty words so why bother posting or taking part in a discussion if you have to worry about having it deleted?
i agree!
there are times that i questioned why posts were removed. there are several monitors and as with the messengers, they all have their opinions of what is proper and what isnt. they have guidelines and they try to be fair. there is no such thing as a perfect solution… everyone does the best they can. they have also tried several different approaches trying to find the best way to allow people to voice their opinions and quite often the opinions are pretty nasty…
it isnt easy to monitor internet message boards. the people who do it are volunteers and most of them work. NO ONE can sit and stare at this board and assure us they will not make a mistake.
i have literally cried over things said to me and I WAS BANNED! roflllllll
i say toughen up and treat this as entertainment because thats what it is. we dont own race tracks so we havent the right to TELL owners how to do it.
we dont own RRUSA either. we share it… just be courteous and treat posters as you would a friend.
carolwicks (OZ)
Carol,
You said a mouthfull with your #19 post above. And yes you are right on with your statements about “alot of people left because they were tired of being insulted and ridiculed for giving their opinions”. Yah some of it is all in fun. And you know I can take it as well as the next guy and dish it out too, but a lot of it isn’t. Then you got people that hide behind thier screen name like “Winger” that take it over the top and start sending nasty PM’s because they don’t like my opinion. That is taking it to far. The man has never even met me but from his PM’s he already has an opinion of me. Myself, I won’t form an opinion of a person until I meet them in person. You can’t tell anything about a person by what they type on the internet.
Carol, you have known my son for a few years now. You know that I have every right to be as proud of him as I am. I was so proud that he was the only minor over the wall at the Rolex 24. When I came on here to share my experiance at the race working for him I got bashed like there was no tomorrow. First they were saying it was BS. Than when I showed proof they just belittled my sons position. I don’t know that there was a single one of them doing the bashing that could hold my sons position. Espeicialy at 17. Thats my opinion. I would have loved to come on here and tell you about Orbits race with ViCi at St. Pete, or Dustin’s top 5 at the ASA race, or his test in Utal last week, or even about leasing the Letterman Rahual rigs for the St.pete and Long Beach race this weekend. But why? So I could get bashed or belittled. I don’t think so.
Carol. I have been racing for over 30 years. I owned an ashpalt track. I have two sons that started racing at 5. I support them all the way. We now own an ASA car. I am doing this on a carpenters salary. We are not just your casual spectators. We live racing. Why should I share my experiances with a bunch of casual race fans that may go to a dozen or so races a year that are just going to insult and belittle me and my family. The reason this board is dead has nothing to do with “the new format”.
Carol. Sorry I had to direct this towards you but If I didn’t I would be opening myself up to who knows what.
Andrew Dunn
ASA South #59
P.S. I didn’t use spell check so I’m sure I will here about that also.
hi andrew…the TRUTH about this board!
hi andrew…
remember this… there are only a few who post. most of them are really decent good people. at times we get a rude insulting person on and they seldom last long. sometimes the nice people are in a bad mood and post things we don’t like…oh well…we all have our days huh? the fact i want to make clear to you tho is that if all the good people leave then what do we have left???
you have some awesome stories to tell… TELL THEM! some of us really want to hear about Dustin’s adventures… Dustin is a great guy and you only have to meet your family once to know you are a decent caring, hard working man.
don’t look back at things that annoy you. it takes you away from being productive. move on and keep a smile on your face.
i expect to see you back posting again!!! BTW… winger is really a good man. i hope you both find a way to meet or talk. i think you will lose some of your bitterness. sometimes feelings about issues are hard to relate in writing.
Give the boy and Grammy a huge hug for me. see ya soon i hope…
your friend always,
carolwicks AKA OZ
Carol Wicks
I have been on this board for approx. 5-6 years. The new format is not the problem it is the censorship that is the problem. If you have thin skin then stay off a message board. I believe that their is much more people gone from the censorship than were offended by the so called rude people.
Take O.S.F. for an example, He can get on here and be very suggestive and downright dirty with his comments about women, but that’s okay because he is one of the chosen few! Yet he will call Bubba the love Sponges radio show to berate him about how he acts toward women on his show!
Censorship is the root problem on this board and not the new format. Again it’s the owners board and he has a right to do what he wants and we have a right not to participate.
RT
but you will be missed by us, the readers… it is your choice tho… are you being thin skinned? … its like going to a huge hall with 500 people sitting there to answer questions. There will be alot of different answers. things get interpreted differently, people feel different about things, sometimes people don’t understand but answer anyways. sometimes people don’t answer and they probably DO have an answer…lol ya just have to take the good with the bad. dont give in…keep on truckin! I do! this is our message board and im not letting anyone run me off… i do get tired of it sometimes and i lay low for awhile but im never GONE! dont you be gone either.
carol aka OZ
And you know I can take it as well as the next guy and dish it out too, but a lot of it isn’t. Then you got people that hide behind thier screen name like “Winger” that take it over the top and start sending nasty PM’s because they don’t like my opinion. That is taking it to far. The man has never even met me but from his PM’s he already has an opinion of me. Myself, I won’t form an opinion of a person until I meet them in person. You can’t tell anything about a person by what they type on the internet.
Who’s bashing who here? I sent you one PM trying to keep the nastiness off the board. I signed it with my complete name, not my screen name. The funny thing is, you have met me in person and you didn’t know it. There was no formal introduction. It was a positive meeting in an everyday situation, but that’s neither here not there. Unfortunately, I have formed an opinion of you because of your comments on the message boards. My opinion of you has changed since I met you in person a couple years ago. I honestly don’t know why you have this reaction to me. I have a copy of the PM I sent you and I will post it here if you would like me to. Just give me the ok.
HEY - Never knew I was one of the “Chosen Few”
But thanks anyway.
Not wanting to start a pissin contest here, but need to SPLAIN sumtin.
I do not attempt to discredit or insult women as stated (click on my name in blue above and read all my post and see for yourself), but I DO TEASE one certain LADY that I am very comfortable with. She is not offended and quite capable of handling the smack and throws it back at me. We have been friends for years and NOTHING can or will come between us ever (damn it) (oops, there I go again). I left the board for a very long time because of the way one idiot called her a bunch of names (unmanly as he was), this happened back when we had a live message board we all met on at night. Now that was some real fun too.
Just another fact here… I have NEVER called the Bubba show to speak about the way he interacts (or just acts) with women… that might just be part of his show… not my business. But I dd call his show about his treatment towards people (mostly kids) that stand in line for his autograph where-in he carries on a conversation with his buddies while signing autographs UNLESS the person in line buys one of his nasty CD’s. I have seen him at numerous track do this and I called him on it. I also said he was an idiot that can’t speak/spell correctly. I never mentioned the word women to him. (SORRY)
Again, not starting a pissin contest with the writer of the above post as that would be like shooting at ants with an elephant gun. One sentence in that post doesn’t even read correctly - whats up wid dat?
OSF - who will continue teasing those that I am comfortable with (both Male and Female) … the rest of the world can go piss on themselves if they are “THINNED SKIN” as it won’t be addressed to them in the first place)
enough already
ok… this is probably the longest thread ever on this site. we have aired our feelings and i think have a little better understanding. lets all try to get along and have some fun talking about racing. with 14 tracks in florida and thousands of racers, there has to be SOMETHING going on…lol
OZ
somkthin goin on!
Its in East Alabama this week!
Hi OSF, miss you. Would you believe Alex is 15 now. He raced a few weeks ago in the Strictly Stock class and came in 6th. Rusty made me close the office, lock it up, and watch. Talk about a nervous cat, that was me. I know he can race but I never said I could watch without constantly pacing the ground. Someday hopefully you can see him race, I know he would love that.
I will be going to Fountain, Colorado in May for my newest grandson to be born. His name will be Nathan and he is Kimber and Michael’s baby boy. Only bad thing, Michael will leave soon after for Iraq and won’t get to see alot of his new son. But I am looking forward to the trip and his arrival.
Hope to see you soon. Love you always, Jane
A message from Dizzy Lea and NoDos Linda. They are both having board registration problems, but as soon as they get it settled they’ll be back. BTW: they have some “bones” to pick with a few of you.
yahooooo
i dont think i know dizzy, but i do know linda and its great news knowing she will be back!!! all of our old friends need to come back and liven up this joint! rofllllllllll linda has been around racing ever since i can remember and has alot of knowledge to share. she is a no nonsense woman so watch out! hahahaha (well maybe some nonsense)
OZ :huepfen024:
I don’t know why anyone called this place a cemetary. There are over 150 posts a day on average.