FASCAR is announcing the Florida spec motors will be required to run the 7400 chip and carry an extra 50 lbs when running in the Brighthouse Challenge Series.
A press release is expected shortly by FASCAR to announce this decision is more detail.
Is this for real???
[QUOTE=USAMedia;8601]FASCAR is announcing the Florida spec motors will be required to run the 7400 chip and carry an extra 50 lbs when running in the Brighthouse Challenge Series.
A press release is expected shortly by FASCAR to announce this decision is more detail.[/QUOTE]
So, will this equalize competition and bring out some cars that feel like they didn’t have a chance? Or will it tick off the spec motor owners and chase them away? I can just hear them, “we have been loyal supporters of the series and now the track is making us add weight and a chip! I aint never coming back, etc. etc.”
They have a point: if they bought the motor they that was clearly spelled out, and did everything that they were supposed to, why penalize them now? Answer: for better racing and a healthier series. Rules change in racing, its nothing new. I give the track credit for stepping up and trying something, even though they will take some heat about it.
My guess is that it will be a positive effect overall, even if it takes a few weeks to get there.
i don’t have a problem with changing the rules.
i have a problem with changing the rules in the middle of the season. neither of these rulebooks ( Brighthouse or Florida spec ) were unknown quantities last year. every issue that you have this year has been had before it was just ignored previously.
there are situations in the rulebook that are fundamentally broken and impossible to make work. and those need to be fixed any time and as soon as we can get someone with the authority to make the change to, you know, actually effect the change. once again though, this was work that should have been done in the off season.
Think of it this way, the last Brighthouse race and last Friday’s Sunbelt race were not won by spec motors. But they are still going to penalize them. In other words, theres no way we are going to let a 16k motor beat a 40k+ motor?
Every Super Late Model Driver and many others involved in the game wondered what kind of influence Wayne Anderson and his new tech man at NSS would have there. Guess this shows it. What next? Let me guess, he shows up at NSS for the next Brighthouse race with a spec motor? He wins because nobody else shows? He let’s them tear it down in tech to see what’s in them? Regardless of what happens now, it’s all for show. And more importantly, it’s his show now.
Are we being a little too dramatic? Sorry, I don’t believe the entire class will fall apart because of a mid-season rules adjustment.
I know of at least nine top teams will not attend the race and are determined to make a stand against this change. A change of this nature should never happen after the season has started. I think this is going to work against NSS and certainly people will not be attending when the top teams will not be running. Time will tell.
Oh my God people
Boneman. I agree with you. NSS may take a little heat for this but, maybe, just maybe we might see a half decent race without guys checking out and being a boring race.Tracks change rules all the time, so what. let’s see what happens at this race. If guys aren’t going to show up then there’s no point in seeing if it’s going to work. They must be scared of this rule if there not going to show up. Something must be wrong with there stuff if that’s the way they feel.
I get a kick out of you guys. You sit there/TIM, back seat driving and not knowing what’s really going on.Why don’t you just go up and ask Wayne himself, or others that feel the same way about these motors, I would if i was in the pits. Wayne said one thing about why he was running up North and he liked the Spec/Sealed motor he had from McGunnegul and you guys are all over him. he was just saying what other drivers are saying but don’t have the nuts to say anything about it. he’s not a rule changer. he just brings things to light that others are saying.
They added 50lbs and a chip. It is not like they outlawed an internal part or made a driver replace an existing part. Many of you were upset they were doing nothing and now are because they did something. I Commend them on there choice. The weight is something that EVERY one of these teams has in the shop anyway and a chip with a rev limiter box if needed is under $200. These guys waste that in a weekend on tires.
Blown up!
I try not to post but got to tell you a bit of info. To keep the cost down the Fl spec motor is built with a heavy crank assembley and will not last if it’s run against an rpm chip. Its not a question of if but when. Other than having a rule that doesn’t make sense shoved up their ass this is why the racers would not attend. They cost one third of the other choices and there are 30 SLM and over 100 LLM spec motors out there. You can’t make a rule that will destroy their engines. [DUH] Do your home work before making rules that you think will be fashionable. People with out the knowledge need not have the authority to ruin the sport that i love. Now go get me I posted something for you to bitch about. Do your home work first.
For more info look at the horsepower on the dyno, dynos give different numbers but the difference between engines is always the same.
23 degree 9:1 with stock 390 - 2700lbs
548hp
Cost: Nobody would build one new today - leftover parts
Mcgonigal northern spec motor - 2700lbs
558hp
Cost: $17,000
Stock steel head chevy - 2700lbs
575hp
Cost: Noboby would build one new today
Florida spec motor - 2700lbs
602hp
Cost: $17,000
Don62
Aftermarket steelhead chevy - 2750
620hp
Cost: As high as $30k
18 degree 9:1 with SAS carb - 2750lbs
640hp
Cost: Over $35k
Stock steel head ford - 2750lbs
660hp
Cost: Over $45k
If you were a racer and owned anything but a fl spec motor and had 25-45,000k in your engine. You blow it up and your engine builder wants another 25-45k to fix or replace it. Look at your options above. Which one would you buy?
Don62
i’m sorry but florida spec is 17,000 602 hp or 22,000 645+ hp
i know a motor builder that put four spec motors on dyno and they were all around 590 to 600 hp but one and that was the progresive spec at 646hp so you tell me what’s fair
I heavy crank will break sooner at high RPM than they will against a rev limiter. Also the rev limiters of today are soft and you cannot tell the engine is against them unless you are almost in the car. 99% of the crates running on dirt are on the rev limiters as many drivers are using them to use the back side of the torque curve to get the car into the corners and there 50+lb cranks and PM rods do just fine.
As for the Dyno comment, you are incorrect. A Dyno can be adjusted to say about anything. I watched a dyno operator adjust a 4 cylinder 2300cc engine from 175hp to over 250hp and he NEVER left the dyno console. The only comparisons you can do effectively is from one engine to another run on the same dyno with the same operator and same parameters. Why do you think CUP and Indy teams only have 1 dyno operator that runs there dyno room.
If you think you are going to get over 600hp out of a stock production block engine you are going to run over your crankshaft when the main webs split.
And the drama continues…
Wayne Anderson rule number 84 if you can’t beat them on the track bring them down to your level. I guess the dirt thing didn’t work out quite as well as everyone thought cause in his first overly dramatized apperance he broke something and hit the wall or hit the wall and broke something(depends on who you talk to) and hasn’t been back. So now let’s mess with the aspalt racing. It really is sad that someone who doesn’t support the track can come in and start putting ideas in someones head about rule changes just to prove a point. I’m just curious if making 1 driver happy is worth losing 7 or 8. In some peoples eyes Wayne may be a great driver he did go down to Punta Gorda this past weekend and win he beat 11 other cars 2 of his own cars a couple crate cars and some goodyear cars and as unbeatable as those spec motors are 1 finshed 2nd and didn’t Mr. Wayne Anderson look like a hero with his goofy smile in the pictures at the end of the night. These racers with these 40k motors are just upset because the latest and greatest thing has come out now and its less than half the price of theres way more economic and its beating them. In Wayne’s world obviously there must be something wrong with these motors steve must be cheating them up. What i’ve always found is that when a racer is cheating and getting beat then they assume whoever is beating them must be cheating also (any racers who read this will know thats true). As far as the Bright House Challenge race this weekend that should be oh so exciting. I can see the headlines now Wayne Anderson sets fast time they invert the entire field he leads every lap and sets a blistering pace around New Smyrna Speedway in his Progressive spec motor that he bought from his dad. Now everyones happy Wayne proves that he can win with a spec motor with a 7400 chip and he gets all the rules changed then goes and gets his big motor out and trys to lap the field. The worst part is the last Bright House challenge race had 19 cars which is a good field and now there going to have Wayne I just hope it was well worth the trade off. You never know He might put on a good show by himself. Just maybe people will see wayne for what he is. Someone who wants racing to revolve around him and is willing to manipulate everyone he can to make the system work for them. When people realize that this is how he works maybe they will also realize there are alot of great drivers with much better attitudes that they would rather have at there tracks. If he doesn’t like the rules no one is making him come there and there would probably be alot less headaches if he wasn’t. Good luck this weekend wayne I just hope to many people don’t waste their gas driving over for the 1 man show
who says you won’t just change the numbers on a 7800 chip to say 7400 as far as i know nss has no way of checking to see if the chip is working at whatever rpm or if the limiter circuit has been completely bypassed. unless boxes are out of reach of driver and the track comes up with the tool to check the chips it is a pointless rule someone or most everyone will find a way around it.
rusty
[QUOTE=rusty47711;8833]who says you won’t just change the numbers on a 7800 chip to say 7400 as far as i know nss has no way of checking to see if the chip is working at whatever rpm or if the limiter circuit has been completely bypassed. unless boxes are out of reach of driver and the track comes up with the tool to check the chips it is a pointless rule someone or most everyone will find a way around it.
rusty[/QUOTE]
Yup. I had an MSD that was in a car we bought that had an extra pair of wires on it. This guy we bought the car from used to KILL us at the track. I asked him about the wires and he said to trace them to the toggle switch beside the seat. When in the off position it was like not having a chip in the box, flip it on and you were running on the chip.
Ego, you are right on with your statement about crates. But this is not about crate motors. They love a chip and will run against it all day. With the compression of a spec motor it’s a different story.
As far as the dyno goes, you are right. Don was simply saying that rig them how you want the difference in horsepower was the same. Their ratings showed 50hp more while ours showed 50hp less. But the difference between the motors were the same.
And the last statement, who said the spec motor was a stock production block with PM rods?
You are also right in your last post about the chip, who the hell at NSS is going to tech this? Who has the technology to tech this? If they tear the motor down to the ground who would know what they are looking at? Just because I said this airline booking agents are being called now.
People don’t think! Don was right, why create a rule that you can’t enforce? I guess it was fashionable? Welcome to America, we just pissed off our whole state because we did not want to offend three people.
I really can’t argue this anymore, this entire subject is about the racers, if this is what they want they will show it in car counts at the Brighthouse races. If this is what they don’t want, I guess car counts at every other race track in Florida, the Sunbelt Series and 50 lap races with televised broadcasts at Columbia will have to increase. The racers will dictate what happens from here.
I absolutely hate to go against another track in Florida but I feel like this track is going against every super late model racer in the entire state of Florida. Time will tell, I stand on the side of the racers, not because it’s fashionable, but because (even before the first motor was sold) it’s what we promised the drivers it would be (including the drivers that did not want to purchase one) and that promise also came from all parties at NSS including all current ownership, management and staff.
And the Drama continues…
Wayne Anderson rule number 84 if you can’t beat them on the track bring them down to your level. I guess the dirt thing didn’t work out quite as well as everyone thought because in his first OVERLY dramatized appearance he hit the wall and broke something or broke something and hit the wall (depends on who you talk to which story you get) and hasn’t been back. So now lets mess with aspalt racing. It is really sad that someone who doesn’t support the track can come in and start putting ideas in peoples heads about rule changes just to prove that they can. I’m just curious if making 1 person happy is worth losing 7 or 8. They want to make a rule change that makes everyone happy then thats great but thats not the case this is a rule change Wayne wants to make himself happy what about the guys that are there every week. Why is it so important not to upset Wayne and to twist things to accomadate a driver so much (no doesn’t show favoritism at all right). Racing won’t fall apart if Waynes not apart of it, in his day he was the man to beat now there are younger nicer and just as good of drivers out there.In some peoples eyes Wayne may still be a great driver he did go to Punta Gorda and win this past weekend he beat 11 other cars 2 of his own a couple crate cars and some goodyear cars and as unbeatable as he says those spec motors are 1 finished second to him and didn’t Mr. Wayne Anderson look like a hero with his goofy smile in the pictures at the end of the night.
These racers with these 40k motors are just upset because the latest and greatest thing has come out now and its less than half the price of theirs and its beating them. In Waynes World obviously there must be something wrong with these motors Steve must be cheating them up. What i’ve always found is that when a racer is cheating and getting beat that who ever is beating them must be cheating also (any racers who read this will know thats true).
As far as the Bright House Challenge race this weekend that should be ohhh so exciting. I can see the headlines now " Wayne Anderson sets fast time they invert the entire field he leads every lap and sets a blistering pace around New Smyrna Speedway in his Progressive spec motor that he bought from his dad ". Now everyones happy Wayne proved he can win with a spec with a 7400 chip he convinces the officials gets the rule changed then he goes and gets his big ford motor out and comes back and trys to lap the field. The worst part is the last Bright House race had 19 cars now there just going to have Wayne I just hope it was well worth the trade off. You never know he might put on a good show by himself. After this is all done maybe just maybe people will see him for what he really is, someone who wants racing to revolve around him and is willing to manipulate everyone he can to make the system work for him. When people realize this maybe they will also realize that there are alot of great drivers out there that support there tracks every race with alot better attitudes that they would rather have at there track. If he doesnt like the rules let him go race somewhere where the rules fit him instead messing with something thats not broken. Good luck this weekend Wayne I just hope to many people don’t waste their gas driving over for the 1 man show.
I may be wrong…
This was my understanding but wasn’t the main problem with the progressive spec motor because that motor has the same HP as the “big motors” but were allowed to run less weight & more left side weight? Hence a competetive advantage…
ok, here we go again
SLMnum8, yes, you are correct. there is a competitive edge with less weight and more left side weight. But, alot of you are still forgetting that a SPEC motor doesn’t have Steel heads. it has Aluminum. hence, less weight again. Weight them, there’s a big difference!!! Now. let’s put that weight where we need it on the left side of the car because the rules say we can have more leftside weight. Let’s take out another 50lbs because the rules say we can. . ok now, let’s add a Progressive SPEC motor that’s suppose to be legal, yeah right. depends on how much money you have, you can have any work you want done to it because Steve doesn’t have a so called parts list and tolerances too those parts. if there was a parts list, PLEASE tell me where this is because last i knew NOBODY/Promotors in and around Florida or the country for that matter has this list.
Please HARDKNOCKSRACING. Why in the heck would anybody that has half a brain and knew what was going on would put up, or better yet even deal with such a situation.You knock a man that has driven more miles around a race track than most of his competitors, i didn’t say all of his competitors I said most. he has the brains and know how to make a car handle like no other. If you beat him on a LEVEL playing field he would be the first to tell you that you beat me,Period!! he has brought up the subject for alot of drivers and car owners that didn’t have the guts to say anything. and you knock him for it. get your facts straight before you open your jaws. Please!!!
I don’t buy the motor blow up on the chip. I was at laeland when the super lates with the spec motors ran with the asa cars they were on the chip and didn’t see anyone blow up and made for some good racing. I might be wrong about it being a spec motor if I am then guess what turn them 7200 end of problem. You know everyone complains the track does nothing to even up the field and they final do or atleast try to and they get bashed. There might be fall out at first but hope they stick to there guns and guess what if they had 30 plus cars at the race maybe just maybe they would pay better.