george, I will say I am sorry about the crybaby comment and sorry for that alone. All else I stand by. I am Dem at the polls but I to also vote either way on who I think is right. My point is this. Bush ran us in the ground. Many things started to go bad and his response to everything was, BLAME THE RAG HEADS!!!And send more troops. He spent 95% of his time and thought on Iraq when the country was falling apart and he didn’t care. Many of the money give aways was started by him. Obama is doing what he thinks is right. I don’t like every choice he makes but at least he is trying to fix it.
Many of the money give aways was started by him.
pounds face on table
a - FDR
b - LBJ
c - Carter
d - all of Bush’s “money giveaways” ( like the prescription drug benefit ) are straight out of the democrat playbook.
[QUOTE=Todd McCreary;32683]Many of the money give aways was started by him.
pounds face on table
a - FDR
b - LBJ
c - Carter
d - all of Bush’s “money giveaways” ( like the prescription drug benefit ) are straight out of the democrat playbook.[/QUOTE]
And your point is what ??? That Bush and the Republicans weren’t smart enough to come up with their own ideas ?
YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!
my POINT is that we’ve known since the 1970’s that Social Security and Medicare payments were going to bankrupt this country. what’s the solution? expand benefits, increase payments, wheeeeeeeeeee!
trying to assert that it was Bush that “started this” is pure BS. and you know it. his domestic spending may have sped it up a little bit, but it didn’t get us anywhere we that we didn’t already know we were going.
and no, i wasn’t in favor of any of that.
That Bush and the Republicans weren’t smart enough to come up with their own ideas ?
that the “compassionate” in Bush’s “Compassionate Conservatism” is pure socialist wealth redistribution that any democrat would be proud to call their own, yes.
who wrote Bush’s education bill? Ted Kennedy.
who wrote the campaign finance reform bill? McCain ( liberal Republican ) and Finegold ( liberal Democrat )
who wrote the Medicare drug benefit expansion? i actually don’t know.
when Bush was in office, even when Repubs had both houses, all we heard about was how we had to have “bipartisanship”. and he gave it to you.
where tf is your bipartisanship talk now? the only reason they try to get the Republicans on board for any of this crap now is so they can try and blame it on them when it blows up. they don’t bother talking to Republicans to write the bills and they’re looking at changing centuries old Senate rules so they can force this through even though they can’t get enough Democrats to vote for it.
but that’s okay, you go ahead and keep blaming conservatives.
BLAME THE RAG HEADS!!!And send more troops.
just like … Obama?
you might want to check O’s current and projected troop staffing for Afghanistan and Iraq before you mouth off too much about spending money on those two wars.
Thanks Todd. My point exactly. Blame all the Dems for all the worlds problems. If you read what I am saying you would see. You can not say Bush was a jerk off. You know he was but yet you will never admit it. Instead you blame the Dems for what Bush did. LMAO I bet you have Rush on every minute he talks. And yes we are sending troops now to. But unlike Bush it isn’t his ONLY objective for this country. If I was you I would be so proud of Bush to. Yep, he spent all that money to avenge the tower bombings. When will Osama Bin Laden go on trail? Oh crap thats right he never caught him did he. Now he has had 8 years to restructure. He was afraid to catch him. Might have told some more dirty little secrets about what his dad was involved in while being VP. And really Todd. I will pop my mouth off when I want. I really could give a crap less what you think!!!
[QUOTE=Todd McCreary;32689]my POINT is that we’ve known since the 1970’s that Social Security and Medicare payments were going to bankrupt this country. what’s the solution? expand benefits, increase payments, wheeeeeeeeeee!
trying to assert that it was Bush that “started this” is pure BS. and you know it. his domestic spending may have sped it up a little bit, but it didn’t get us anywhere we that we didn’t already know we were going.
and no, i wasn’t in favor of any of that.
That Bush and the Republicans weren’t smart enough to come up with their own ideas ?
that the “compassionate” in Bush’s “Compassionate Conservatism” is pure socialist wealth redistribution that any democrat would be proud to call their own, yes.
who wrote Bush’s education bill? Ted Kennedy.
who wrote the campaign finance reform bill? McCain ( liberal Republican ) and Finegold ( liberal Democrat )
who wrote the Medicare drug benefit expansion? i actually don’t know.
when Bush was in office, even when Repubs had both houses, all we heard about was how we had to have “bipartisanship”. and he gave it to you.
where tf is your bipartisanship talk now? the only reason they try to get the Republicans on board for any of this crap now is so they can try and blame it on them when it blows up. they don’t bother talking to Republicans to write the bills and they’re looking at changing centuries old Senate rules so they can force this through even though they can’t get enough Democrats to vote for it.
but that’s okay, you go ahead and keep blaming conservatives.
BLAME THE RAG HEADS!!!And send more troops.
just like … Obama?
you might want to check O’s current and projected troop staffing for Afghanistan and Iraq before you mouth off too much about spending money on those two wars.[/QUOTE]
Damn , we’re pretty far afield from a racing board .
Social Security and Medicare are not going to bankrupt this country . That has never been an issue . The only issue is how to keep politicians from stealing the money from those two and using it for other puposes . Thats been going on for decades .
The financial mess this country is currently in is mostly because of very poor decisions by Bush . When Bush became President there was a huge financial surplus in this country . Within the first year of Bushs’ Presidency , it was pretty much all gone . And not because of the war , that was funded seperatley . Call it anything you want , but thems the facts . Another reason for the current mess is the convoluted financial policies of Alan Greenspan .
All of those bills you mention were written by a large group of people , not just one , in spite of what Hannity thinks . Every bill goes through many re-writes and mark-ups before its even put on the floor for a vote . No one person , no one party is ever responsible for a bill .
Bi-partisonship in Washington has been non-existent for decades . Its a myth . Occaisionally an idea comes along that most everyone gets behind , but those are rare . With a two party system , and without term limits , there is no incentive for bi-partisonship , in fact there is every reason to avoid working with the opposing side . If you plan to get re-elected you can’t show any weakness , you can’t sway even slightly from the party line . Congressmen who refuse to work with the other side are seen as heros to the party base . That gets them re-elected , but sure as hell doesn’t allow much to get done .
The Democrats aren’t planning on changing any centuries old rules . Its called reconcilliation , its been used as long as this country has existed . It isn’t used often , but has been used many times over the preceeding decades by administrations of both partys .
Very few of your comments have a factual basis…aside from the opening line.
Most of which could be debated and proven wrong, factually.
It would be fruitless to attempt it.
Actually, the facts are pretty accurate. Social Security was designed to be self funding, but money has been taken from the fund to boost the General fund and used for purposes it wasn’t intended. Some of AJ’s post is his opinion but most of the facts are accurate.
So what happened?
Man you guy’s have taken this around the bend. So back to the original post, how did the “race” go?
race wasnt bad
we put the lead in and qualifie 14 th
elected to start last for the reason i am trying to sell the car not wreck it
worked back up to about 13 or 14 started to get beat around and parked it(like i said trying to sell not wreck)if i would have stayed out and not been involved in anything would have definately finished top ten
the deal with the weight FROM MY OPINION is that the extra 50 lbs was not needed even though a crate car finished 3rd and 5th they could not keep up with the top two cars
watched the end of the race pretty exciting finish
Rusty Ebersole
driver #36 mp motorsports
Thanks Rusty for the update. Would love to hear from FRED23 as to what happened to him.
I understand the need to add weight if car and engine types need to be balanced out , but so far i don’t see where there was a drastic , 24 hour notice type need to make a change . I do hope FRED jumps back into this thread and gives us some more info . By the way FRED , sorry about helping run this thread off the cliff with political stuff .
I do think adding and subtracting weight is the only sensible way to equalize competition . Carbs and cams and gears and heads are pretty expensive to change . You just have to make sure lead is specified . Otherwise the rich guys use tungsten and such .
same team but i will call him and have him post his thoughts
rusty
You can not say Bush was a jerk off. You know he was but yet you will never admit it. Instead you blame the Dems for what Bush did.
who is blinded by ideology? you two are smoking crack.
i just gave you a fricking LIST of things Bush did wrong and all you can do is tell me that i can’t say he was wrong?
Bush acting like a Democrat doesn’t mean Bush was right, it means that the Democrat-like policies he chose to enact are wrong. ergo, Bush was wrong.
would you like another? refusal to enforce the borders . Jeb was good for that too. and that’s another one straight out of the orthodox Democrat playbook. hell, last year several of the Dem presidential candidates were trying to come out in support of Drivers Licenses for known illegal aliens until they got their fingers burned so bad they had to take it all back.
the Republicans are the only one of the two major parties that’s even partially on board with enforcing the borders and trying to deport known illegals ( instead of giving them free medical services and a chance to birth an American citizen ). and too many of them are like McCain, pretty fricking unreliable on simple enforcement of the law.
Social Security was designed to be self funding,
on a year over year basis. and due to the demographic fall off after the Baby Boomers stopped having kids, it’s been known since 1970s that the Boomers were going to bankrupt Social Security. that’s why politicians have been talking about it since the 1970’s. it just wasn’t expected to happen until 2040 or so.
attempting to say otherwise demonstrates ignorance on par with AJ’s description of Fascism.
I may be ignorant but I know that if you take 2 cookies out of my cookie jar and I only put one in each day, I’m going to be out of cookies soon. Previously more cookies were put in so there would be an abundance in the future. Can’t you see the same thing works with the Social Security fund. It would have been fine if it had been left alone.
Same deal with state lotteries. They were approved so the money could be used for education. That’s why they were approved in most states by the voters. That money is now used for education. What politicians didn’t and don’t tell you, is that the money that use to fund education paid out of the general funds isn’t allocated any longer. It’s a game the politicians play.
I may be ignorant but I know some of this stuff because I lived through them or worked with them. All I can say is get involved yourself, so you really know what you’re talking about. Stop listening to the talk show pundits and the party line. Use whatever intelligence you have and think for yourself. Let experience teach you. Just my advice but you can ignore it, as I’m sure you will. After all, I’m just an ignorant idealist.
I may be ignorant but I know that if you take 2 cookies out of my cookie jar and I only put one in each day, I’m going to be out of cookies soon.
you know what’s going to happen if you put 100 cookies in the jar, and then after you retire you take 150 cookies out?
you’ve got three options:
a - find lots more younger people to put more cookies in ( which is the Ponzi scheme that SocSec was originally designed to be, only the Boomers decided they’d only have 2 kids per family which put the kibosh on that )
b - the cookie jar runs out
c - massive inflation which permits oldsters to pull out all the cookies they want but renders those cookies worth pennies on the dollar compared to what they put in
this issue has been known since the 1970s. the “lock box” was never going to do anything but push the bankruptcy date back 10-15 years. you can put up all the smoke up you want, it’s not going to change reality.
and there’s not a single one of those 50 year olds running around on a $20 thousand dollar Harley instead of providing for their own retirement who is getting any sympathy from me.
Previously more cookies were put in so there would be an abundance in the future.
no, no retiree who has survived more than 10 years has put in enough funds to cover their benefit payout. and with the percentage of old farts living to their 90’s, that’s a LOT of people taking a LOT of cookies out of the jar that they never paid in for.
that’s okay though, Obama is going to take care of this issue with his mandatory “End of Life Counseling” panels.
They were approved so the money could be used for education. That’s why they were approved in most states by the voters.
wait, wait. aren’t you the same guy who was just explaining to me how SocSec was “solvent”? and now you’re telling me the politicians are running a bait and switch? :smilie_abcfra: i am SOOOOO confused. i’m supposed to trust the people who aren’t trustworthy? head splits open
state lotteries are a tax on the poor ( it’s odd how often Dems implement taxes on the poor like Liquor, Tobacco, minimum wage increases and Lotteries ) and the stupid. the voters who were dumb enough to vote for this got exactly the government they deserve.
you’ll not find me among that group.
Stop listening to the talk show pundits and the party line.
i tell you Bush was wrong, that the Republicans need to be Whigged, that i did NOT vote for McCain and i throw up news references from hard left and international sources and this libel is all you’ve got?
it’s not true when AJ says it. it’s not true when Chris says it. and it doesn’t make it true because you jumped on the bandwagon.
i’m the one who isn’t following the party line here.
i’ll even give you an opportunity to prove it:
which Obama policies are you against, Mr. FreeThinker?
all you bozos who keep telling me i’m being programmed by talk radio, feel free to prove your bonafides right here and now.
wait, wait. aren’t you the same guy who was just explaining to me how SocSec was “solvent”? and now you’re telling me the politicians are running a bait and switch? i am SOOOOO confused. i’m supposed to trust the people who aren’t trustworthy? head splits open
Nope, wasn’t me. I said SS was DESIGNED to be solvent. It hasn’t been solvent since the politicians started taking money out of the account. Sorry you’re so confused. I can’t believe you don’t think they’re running a “bait and switch”. I certainly didn’t say you should trust them. I insinuated just the opposite. As far as me following the party line: If I did that I’d be doing the same thing you are. I’d be bashing Obama now and praising Bush. Sorry, I can’t praise Bush. I do try to keep an open mind and I’m willing give something a chance to work if I think it’s possible. I don’t agree with the so called health plan in it’s entirety, however I do believe the health care system in the US is broke and needs revamping. Maybe it’s because I’m personally affected by it. My retirement fund, and almost everything I earned in my life, is gone because of health care issues. I don’t have a $50,000 Harley either. I don’t agree with total gun control but I don’t have a problem with having to register guns that are only designed to kill people. I never met anyone that hunted with a fully automatic “machine” type gun. Does the average citizen really need a “zip” gun? I didn’t say take them away. I think collectors and others may be allowed to own them but they should be registered and availability limited. Personally I wasn’t in favor of bailing out the auto companies. However, it’s probably a good thing we did or GM and MOPAR would be gone now. I believe we will recoup that bailout money and possibly make money in the long run. I don’t know, but it appears we will sooner than later. I wasn’t in favor of the “cash for clunkers” program. I still don’t like it. I think that may hurt in the long run. Those are a few examples of things I disagree with. However, I’m not totally opposed to them all. There is a middle ground that intelligent people with common sense should support. However, both parties are so opposed to each other that they refuse to work together for that middle ground. I hate politics and I don’t know why I start discussing it. I was involved in it for about 6 years and it was one of the most discouraging things I ever did. All issues are much more complicated that they appear. Present laws, unions, insurance companies, special interests, financial concerns, citizens, compromises, and different values and opinions make it hard to get things done. Our system needs positive change and it wasn’t going to happen with the administration we had. At one time I was a McCain supporter. I finally decided he wasn’t capable of implementing the changes we need. I don’t think Obama is either but he has a better chance than any of the other viable candidates. I will support him, as I did President Bush, until he gives me a reason not to.
Todd , i don’t know if anyone has ever mentioned this to you before , but you aren’t very good at debating . I know you pride yourself on your dogmatic abilities , but that isn’t what debating is . You have to realize that people are going to check facts , and thats where your bloviating falls down . I do agree completely with you on the fact that you are SOOOOO confused .
FRASS is right about the direction this board has taken . Actually i think it was probably always like this , but then some members decided to call you and a couple of others on your very unique world views . Now , we’ll likely always be able to count on you or Darren , or Edm to hi jack posts , not with any usable information , just your commercial for whatever view you guys are pushing on a given day . Then i or someone else responds to the hi jack and we’re off .
How about this for high jack, YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!