Twice as expensive as racing!

Consider this night out. I took my four kids to the bowling center here in Titusville last week. We all had dinner from the concession stand, got five pairs of rental shoes and each bowled two games. Guess how much…$110!

I was stunned at how expensive it was. We only do this a couple times a year, but it had really gone up. By they way, this was on Thursday, a school night, and the place was packed.

A similar night with the kids sitting in the stands at the track would have been half the price. So what is the difference? Why did the bowling center thrive while my home track struggles?

I have two suggestions: kid involvement and concession stands.

As a kid, I was completely content to sit on the boards and watch cars drive in circles, but are today’s kids as patient and dedicated? I don’t think so. Obviously in bowling my kids were 100% involved in the game. Aside from racing a kart or a [SIZE=“1”]bando[/SIZE], the kids can’t jump in and make things happen. Here are a few suggestions to involve kids, and hopefully make them fans for life.

RC car racing could work. Set it up by the concession stand (its not part of the show) and make sure it is priced so that the kids can afford to play over and over. I know there are vendors who could bring in a complete track set-up. Whatever form it takes, we win if the kids want to race all night.

Anyone remember the rental kart track at Hollywood Speedway? They set up a little kart track, no bigger than Lil’ 500, and they operated it during race nights. Us kids loved it, and in my young head I “was racing at Hollywood”. Remember, the idea is to get them involved so they can fall in love with the sport.

Do you know what was the LOUDEST response I have ever heard from a the stands at a race track? It was at Sunshine Speedway for a kids Big Wheel race! No kidding, the announcer played it up and the little kids riding their toys delivered. Everybody was on their feet and yelling for the 6 year olds! Unforgetable! Bike races during intermission would also work.

Here is one more: exploit the popularity of the Wii system. We had a big New Year’s Eve party, and for the first time I rented a projector and screen for the Wii. THe screen was 10 feet tall and 18 feet wide. It was as bright as a good TV and my guests loved it. How about setting up a Wii tournament where the winners get to race the drivers in Mario Kart or something? The people would get a kick out of it.

Topic two: concession stands. The bowling alley food was a little expensive, but there was a wide variety, it was freshly prepared and was good. Currently at my home track, we no longer have ANYTHING for sale in the pits, and the spectator concession is really weak and outdated. At the risk of going on too long, I’ll suggest building a permanent facility in the pits and updating the spectator side, even if it means paying vendors to set up shop.

I have to admit you make several valid points Rex… A little quicker service would help. One thing I did notice at the last race was that I noticed several people in line, while I was in line for food in the pits during the Red Eye… It took so long to get anything from the stand that people were leaving the line… Mind you I am not complaining in a loud manner, but you will find more people will purchase if they don’t have to wait in line for an extended period of time…

Please also keep in mind that I have observed this in both Pit side as well as grandstand side… And I am not singling out one track, as I have seen this at different ones…

Great points Bone…there was actually a guy on Karnac trying to sell a complete RC set up a few months ago…wonder if he sold it yet?

I have always claimed on here that I think a great idea for the concessions at a race track would be to have EVERYTHING cost $2.00. Beer, Food, Snacks, Soft Drinks etc…Call it two buck chucks or something silly like that…I would think that people would buy more than they do now because they would be getting perceived value…and yes the lines at most tracks take much to long to get through…

Don’t get me started on the pit side concessions at NSS…disaster to say the least…

NSS has tried to get kids involved with the autograph sessions, bus rides and even bicycle races and I think they have done a pretty good job of it but your ideas of the Wii tournaments against some drivers would be great…just think, they could get the big video truck and do it right in front of the fans…

On another note…how about making qualifying for some of the 50 lappers for the weekly divisions a wii contest on Mario kart or something similar…you could make it like the heat races and you start the 50 lapper where you finished on the video game…or better yet pick a kid from the stands to represent each driver…(I would sneak my son in there, he is pretty good )

This is why the tracks should bring in a few drivers every now and then and have a little brainstorming session on different issues…there are some pretty successful people that run their own businesses driving racecars…not a full blown all invited meeting but just maybe 4-5 at a time.

The number ONE problem is these promoters and track owners think like our government and have the Nerone syndrome, they think they know whats best for us and don’t give a rats ass about any outside suggestions.
Driver autograph sessions are fine but what about the other 4 hours they are there? I like everything you suggested. Maybe this would keep the 12 and under crowd in check instead of swapping spit under the bleachers, around the dark corners,ect. You’d be surprised at what you will see if you went on patrol just one time at your local track

I remember going to Volusia back in the 90’s ( still asphalt) for an All Pro race and they had all kinds of crazy stuff for the kids, I remember seeing a slotcar track where the cars were painted like cup cars, you couldn’t even see the thing for all the kids. I remember the big wheel race at Sunshine as well.
$110 to bowl?? Damn! Chucky Cheese ain’t no cheaper dude, and neither are the movies.

ABYSS64, I don’t kid myself and think that anyone in charge is writting down notes and re-arranging thier program based on anything we do. Of course it would be nice for all track managers to open themselves up try something different. Some ideas would succeed and the customers would leave happier, maybe they would even be more inclined to come back another time.

I wonder if we saw the same Big Wheel race? All the kids were riding bright blue and red trikes, but there was one exception: a powder blue and pink one. Not only did this kid stand out because of the different colors, but she also cut the hell out of every corner! The other kids were faster down the straight (they were racing on a triangle that used part of the figure 8 track), so this kid cut more and more off the corners as the race went. The crowd went nuts! Racers learn how to cut corners from an early age, so funny!

flabbyass64

The number ONE problem is these promoters and track owners think like our government and have the Nerone syndrome, they think they know whats best for us and don’t give a rats ass about any outside suggestions.

well flabbyass64 ur right i dont care for it any more. After dumb people like u with ur naging trash mouth you wonder why promoters dont listen to you
DA!!.
Now rex sone good ideas and i have done most of them in the past. the hids corner at the gate was great. vido games and slotcars for the kids. Had to take it out the mothers and fathers were bitching that i was after there quarters. (1981) Put on the first big bike race at lakeland. Got cussed out buy a racer, My son won and thats not right he was 11 years old. all of the things have ben done but the fans and racers didnt suport them. The horse is out of the barn and its going to be hard to fix the gate. If there was no internet and TV races it would be a lot better. Drive 20 miles gas at 320 a gal
pay $10 15 20 get cold wet home late or watch a race on tv. Every one does not have a car in the race.
Then there is the Jeffs of the world. Well they make it tough for everyone.
suport ur local track even in va flabab

Don62 The stalker (sorry about the spelling)

Wow, you guys smoked a lot of pot when you were younger…that’s the only way i can explain ANY of these posts.

ss64 is big rons #

hea boney i new he hung out there .(Chucky Cheese ain’t no cheaper dude).
If he would leave my name out of his post i would make no mentino of him.
Well with out jeff i would be boared for 30 min each day.
Benny way to mutch when i was young so i cant help it.
I didnt ride the mule .
Don62

[QUOTE=Boneman;61941]

RC car racing could work. Set it up by the concession stand (its not part of the show) and make sure it is priced so that the kids can afford to play over and over. I know there are vendors who could bring in a complete track set-up. Whatever form it takes, we win if the kids want to race all night.

.[/QUOTE]

Myself and Palmbayer have tried this at OSW a few times for crash-a-rama.
3$ for a 25 lap race and if you were the winner your fastest one lap made the championship board. If your time held you made the fast 8 and raced in a FREE 50 lap championship for a prize.
Real exciting stuff.

But the 40-50 dollars we made each night didnt come close to covering expenses

make sure it is priced so that the kids can afford to play over and over.

Sounds like your price of $3 is too high. Have you tried lowering it? Is that the price that PalmBayer used at the NASCAR races? This is a different and much poorer crowd.

Well, I think you are comparing apples to oranges here… Bowling is a participation sport with no real age limit as long as you can roll the ball and anyone can do it… You don’t have to own a ball, shoes, etc., just show up…
Racing, on the other hand, like movies, ball games etc. is entertainment…
As a kid, I never went to a race track to play pinball, race slot cars or play on the monkey bars… I went to watch the races!! To me there was the absolute anticipation from the time I hopped in the car until you could finally see the lights of Orlando Raceway, Eau Gallie or Golden Gate… the racing was the attraction… If you have a good show, make the price affordable for families, then you don’t need any “extras”… I do agree a supervised playground for the real little kids is a good idea, but many of those I’ve seen at tracks, I wouldn’t let my kids play there because they are dirty and/or in disrepair…

rex did u hear me. We did it and charged .25cents I payed $200 to get them to do it and the parients got mad.(riping the kids of for there change)
Free bikes (didnt have enough girls bikes)
Free tickets (the speakers didnt work enough)
Free beer ( now they came and the cups were to small)
Free icecream for the kids. That was ok atleast the kids liked me
Free tires 18 sportsman showed $2000 to win NSS (the message board shot me in the foot)
100 lap sportsman lakeland 52 cars showed no internet to run it down(1990)
now the ball is in the racers cort fans read what u say on here.
200 to a gocart rental race 50 to orlando???

don62
cant be my falt

Don, just because you couldn’t do it doesn’t mean it can’t be done. (relax, I’m kidding)

Lots of good leaders refuse to take no for an answer. I suggest not giving up before even trying. What didn’t work 30 years ago deserves another try with a modern twist.

I’ll give you an example: there is no comparison between a kid in 1981 who spent his night feeding quarters into a Pac Man machine, and a bunch of kids in 2011 who can play a multi-player racing game on a huge screen like I rented. Especially if those kids get to be in a tournament and race against some of the drivers. They would love it and have a super time at the track. Its true, they may not be sitting in rapt attention like announcer Dave and I did, but they would be there having fun, and I am sure the real attraction would be sinking in.

You have to understand, old man Nerone is still living in the 80’s. If he can’t line his pockets he wants nothing to do with it.
He refers to me as dumb yet he can’t spell two words in a post correctly, I on the other hand have a Miami U education. He says I have a trash mouth yet I have yet to use a four letter word when describing him. He says my world is whats bad for the sport yet I am at the local short tracks more than he ever was and Im at least half his age, and when I go I take my kids, my girlfriend and several friends, who all pay at the gate, buy the nasty concession stand food, buy the drivers t-shirts if they have them and participate in anything we can to help keep this sport breathing.

Yes Nerone, you seem to think you know everything about me and what kind of life I live. You know, this started out a few months ago as a gouge at ole Don Nerone just for giggles, now you want to make it personal so I’ll lay it down for you, and make sure you have someone quote this for you since you like to quote everything I say.
You like to bounce around on here like you’ve done some great thing for the racing community and some even believe your garbage simply because they don’t know any better. You forget, I’ve been there, I’ve seen you in action, remember Don? I’ve seen you in action, standing up there during drivers meetings, talking down to us all, trying to act like your some sort of god and we should all be thankful we’re racing in your presence. You’ll run your show with an iron fist, remember that statement Don? Changing the rules or the way the program goes down almost weekly, do you have any idea how much $$$$ you’ve cost racers Don?

You’ve raped,pillaged and plundered this sport for years and it pisses you off to no end because I’ve called you on the carpet, for years you’ve skated by, made $$$$ off of every one of us. Oh I know you’ll never admit it, you’d be a fool to ever say you were wrong for some of the things you’ve done on a message board where most people know you right? C’mon, spit, sputter, think about your next insult Don, make us all think your Conan again, but before you do, take that 30 minutes you waste trying to think up stuff to say about me or how to spell your next word and reflect, think if your capable of remembering back to the days of puffing out that bird chest, swaggering thru the pits and thinking to yourself " I’ve got’em by the balls" when in fact, we could all see thru the facade Don,and each year we kept falling for the same old thing. Your last stand is this message board, still trying to preach your dribble like a tired old worn out Jim Bakker.

http://www.answers.com/topic/jim-bakker

But it’s the same old song, and just like back then there’s always one of us that has the guts to call you out and tell the real story. Just like Jim Bakker, nobody wants to hear it anymore, and for me, people like he and yourself are the reason I’ll never step foot in a church ever again.

This one should keep you busy for at least 45 minutes don’t ya think? Your right and the worlds wrong, I’ll bet you secretly voted for Obama didn’t you?

(audible sigh…) So much for our nice friendly conversation…

people like he and yourself are the reason I’ll never step foot in a church ever again.jeff your right i wont speak of you on here ever.
You dont know anything about me thats for sure.
dont blame your anger on me or chirch
.what a poor life u must live

Don62
bone you didnt get what i was trying to say. I think it will work if the people that make the noise ( you all) Will let it. Talk it up not down.

[QUOTE=Don Nerone;62148]people like he and yourself are the reason I’ll never step foot in a church ever again.jeff your right i wont speak of you on here ever.
You dont know anything about me thats for sure.
dont blame your anger on me or chirch
.what a poor life u must live

Don62
bone you didnt get what i was trying to say. I think it will work if the people that make the noise ( you all) Will let it. Talk it up not down.[/QUOTE]

I know everything about you Don, even the facade you keep on this very message forum. As for my anger, that’s where your wrong, I have no anger, I’d call it several lessons learned Don, the hard way. You pushed the buttons, you deal with the repercussions.

Now why would expect a nice friendly conversation… For shame Rex…

LOL

[QUOTE=ABYSS64;62339]I know everything about you Don, ]

wow
u know me and u said i voted for Obama?(jeff please)
Please try have a little fun in your life also its imposible for u to have been to more races than i have. Not that thats any great feat.
Im just the old guy that wont take any of your crap.
Please dont blame me for you not going to chirch.
The truth will set u free try it

dont hide
Don62

[QUOTE=Don Nerone;62437][QUOTE=ABYSS64;62339]I know everything about you Don, ]

wow
u know me and u said i voted for Obama?(jeff please)
Please try have a little fun in your life also its imposible for u to have been to more races than i have. Not that thats any great feat.
Im just the old guy that wont take any of your crap.
Please dont blame me for you not going to chirch.
The truth will set u free try it

dont hide
Don62[/QUOTE]
Just have to keep it going don’t you? You have no idea do you? You think it’s impossible do ya? You don’t want to bet me old man, you’ll lose. And Im the guy that will spill the beans on everything you’ve ever done, so keep it up, I dare ya.