Here’s the body that ARP designed to fit the Johnson Chassis concept. Expensive? Yes, but very SEXY :sprachlos020:
Rusty, not to get off track…my opposition to Bandos is because they were over-emphasized at Orlando, they killed the show, and started the exodus of fans.
I’ve always liked Legends and defended them consistently. We’ll all remember fondly the era where vintage Chevelles and antique Monte Carlos were king, but the best years of that are behind us and we need to look ahead to what it next. Legends should play a big role in that.
Hopefully aftermarket steel Camaro,Mustang,Challanger panels like the old monte panels that we can buy for $69 each will be available soon.Like I said,these retro style cars appeal to both young and old and would bring excitement to see them on the track.
These body styles combined with an affordable aftermarket chassis like the one you described and reasonable priced crate motor would be a hit!
[QUOTE=scottgarrity07;111356]Here’s the body that ARP designed to fit the Johnson Chassis concept. Expensive? Yes, but very SEXY :sprachlos020:
http://www.arbodies.com/muscle-cars/metricmustang[/QUOTE]
Thats hot and hopefully the wave of the future…Would love to see us get away from the boring late model bodies raced today.I dont care what graphics,decals,numbers,stickers,chrome wheels,or paint schemes you put on them,they ALL LOOK THE SAME!
Also,there are way to many classes…Late models,super late models,limited late models,pro late models,etc…WTF??? The average fan in the stands does not know the difference and isnt going to return if they cant identify with what is on the track.
Repectfully …how were they over emphasized? They ran an 8 lap race and a 15 lap race.
Be glad they are in existence…at least they can get some experience at 8 years old rather than jumping in a late model at 12 with none 
And never ever blame them for the crowd loss at OSW…I really wish that you could blame them for that…that would be an easy fix! Now I can not say what happened after I left…but we ran them on Saturday nights.
We actually had some great Bandolero races at OSW… Well, back when we had 8-10 cars in each class every week… Can still remember some “beatin and bangin” and a few hot “little” tempers… 2 or 3 cars showing up isn’t helping now, plus there is nowhere near the promotion both the Legends and Bandoleros had before both on a local level and nationally, certainly not like when Humpy and my buddy Ken Ragan ran things…
Referring to the 2000-2001 time frame at OSW: Bandos ALWAYS ran heats and features (no matter what any other class did), and they ALWAYS started the show. Instead of starting the show with a bang, the track chose to always start with a wimper.
Also, every week, the terrible announcer at the time (Tom?) would do long-winded interviews with the same 3 kids that we heard from the week before, and we couldn’t understand them anyway.
I was racing less in those years, and sitting in the stands more. From that vantage point, I could see the reaction of the fans when that class came out. Yes, they bored my silly, but I was not the only one.
Here is a shocker for you: I like the Bandos are much better at Auburndale because they are going much faster. They look like racecars on a race track. Orlando had them on the infield bando track, where they looked and sounded like go karts.
I am aware of the benefits that come from this class in terms of driver development, but my problem with them is strictly based on the aspect of SHOWMANSHIP. I’ve always found a 3 car Bando race to be a show killer, especially when it leads off the night.
OK… I will give you that one LOL It was before my time
Any show with 3 or 4 cars is going to be a snooze fest!
I am excited about racing…and still trying to get figured out how to get others excited again…OSW can and WILL someday be HUGE! THis I have confidence in!!! IT is like this show here at TMS…you just have to nurture it and get it back STRONG!!!
I am not and will not give up on OSW…who knows…I may need to come home some day !!! LOL
I’m not giving up on it either. I love the place, it just needs to be completely shaken up.
Up here in Ohio, the race tracks seem fairly healthy. I don’t think any one track runs more than 4 or 5 divisions, start fairly early, and are done at a decent hour.
Heat races, trophy dashes, pursuits, and features (mostly just heats and features at most tracks). Bring in a special “non-weekly” division once in a while (Supermodifieds and Main Event touring-series Late Models are popular; a couple of tracks have even run the USAC Focus Midgets). Late Models (the outlaw-style wedge cars) are pretty regular divisions at at least three tracks; one track runs a “Limited Late Model” type car (called Sportsman there; template-bodied car). The rest of the divisions are “stock”-type cars: Hobby/Street Stock/Super Stock type, V8-Strictly Stock type cars, and a 4-cylinder/front-wheel-drive-only “Pure Stock” cars (which is, understandably, the largest fields of cars. The local dirt track (Wayne County), Midvale, Barberton, and Sandusky are the only “local” tracks that run an open-wheel Modified class on a regular basis.
Stands are packed at every joint every week, fields are mostly full; guys can run just about any track; why? Because the rules are the same at nearly every track. Guys that run Barberton on Friday nights are also running either at Painesville (a NASCAR sanctioned track) or down at Midvale.
At the five or six tracks I’ve been to since I’ve been up here, even the food is halfway decent (prices, too ). Haven’t paid more than about 15 bucks to get in anywhere (except for the two specials I’ve been to; one was the World 100).
Every place starts at about 7-7:30 - and that’s throwing the green flag on the first heat. Pre-race stuff starts about 20 minutes prior - because they advertise a 7-7:30 start time.
Haven’t really seen a bad show around here yet. Was a little disappointed with the car count at a Main Event race at Barberton, but it was still a good race.
My 2 cents worth:
The Legends are touted as a race ready $14,000 race car with the same parts and pieces throughout the field. I’ve heard it from dozens of Legends racers that the $14,000 factory built car will probably not be competitive. Expect to spend twice the amount to run in the front.
Their tire rule has good intentions, but then everyone spends $ to have them shaved and cambered.
Many of the 12 to 16 year old kids who were using the Legends car as a springboard to a late model, are now just directly jumping into a late model.
I personally like the Bandeleros and Legends, but many fans do not. Possibly explains the exodus of the fan from asphalt to dirt tracks. A lot of tracks may have noticed and began to cut their reliance on the Legends, in particular, being an INEX sanctioned track, which requires heats and features in order to gain national points.
I am not aware of any dirt track in the southeast that runs the Legends and southeastern asphalt tracks are closing faster than I can keep up with.
We do not require heats and features…
Gaining trust in our program…
I was unsure of our engine program…had heard a lot of things not so nice…Did a little experiment…
One of our cars did not have a motor for the “Stampede” I told the guy to use a motor that we had taken out of a car that was new…but we had parted the car out…this motor was a bone stock USLCI/INEX run of the mill nothing special motor…IT WON…and again the next night and again the next week.
Does our program have it’s problems YEP
IS it getting better YEP
Are we going to be Super Late Models NOPE
I have access to a car that will run up front…$9000! Anyone that spends $24k is wasting money!!!
Simple,if it’s not a show yet,but your trying to grow a class into a show,you run those before the fans even get there,when you have enough to be a show,then put them infront of the fans. Other wise you only bore the fans and then the fan you had don’t come back=very very bad,infact it’s even harder to get a fan you lost back then fine a new one:( and thats not EZ ether. Time trails are another very thing that can be canned,start by points with high points to rear,nothing stinks up a show as bad as fastist car on the pole.
Pretty sure Legends racing is just about to heat up now that cooler weather is just around the corner.:auto003:
[QUOTE=Rusty the 50/50 Guy;111393]Gaining trust in our program…
I was unsure of our engine program…had heard a lot of things not so nice…Did a little experiment…
One of our cars did not have a motor for the “Stampede” I told the guy to use a motor that we had taken out of a car that was new…but we had parted the car out…this motor was a bone stock USLCI/INEX run of the mill nothing special motor…IT WON…and again the next night and again the next week.
Does our program have it’s problems YEP
IS it getting better YEP
Are we going to be Super Late Models NOPE
I have access to a car that will run up front…$9000! Anyone that spends $24k is wasting money!!![/QUOTE]
Well said Rusty !!!
How big are you and Unsafe ???
[QUOTE=racin24dev;111305]well a lot of the same reasons apply to down here in Florida as they do up in Charlotte…
For one, you see a lot of favoritism, and the tech man does absolutely nothing, when clearly, something NEEDS to be done. These factors alone take almost all of the fun out of it. Don’t get me wrong, Legend cars are a blast to drive, but I’ve now moved on to bigger and better things, and we are still spending the same money as we were when we had our Legend. Motors are outrageous, especially when you’re racing against some of stallions that some LCOF guys have.
I’m not complaining about anything from when I was in Legends as they taught me a lot about racing. They are quite the handful to drive and will keep you fresh and on your toes.[/QUOTE]
QUITURBITCHIN !! Tech Man pumped every motor one night ! What do you want?? Make ur shit turn better !!!
Rusty, I stand corrected on my info on mandatory heats. As I stated, “I personally like the Legends”. Excellent concept, that for some reason, seems to have lost a little of it’s popularity. My only issue with the Legend cars was, not with the actual cars, but the promoters. Some asphalt track promoters got a little giddy on the big back gate numbers the Legends were (are) bringing and ignored what (or what not) was coming through the front gate. (i.e. Lanier National Speedway)
Great info on the engine. I will pass on to those who feel they are getting outspent.
Would love to see 600 racing come up with a 3/4 or full size, 4 or 6 cylinder spec racer to compliment the Bandelero and Legend cars. Maybe something with a more current body style.