Hey just wondering since the gas prices are dropping under two dollars a gallon .does that mean the race fuel at the tracks is dropping in price per gallon maybe this will bring more cars back of the track anybody have any info?
I was wondering the same thing today, shorttrack, as I drove by my local Racetrac and saw gas had fallen to $1.99. I called “Racin’ Gas” (a local gas station in Pinellas Park that usually also has the cheapest racing fuel around) The price? $8.29 per gallon! 
Looks like the price of fuel will only be going down unless you run a crate motor. Only $2.29 per gallon for the Super Unleaded my 602 requires…
You would thing so,back in the early 90’s when pump gas was $1.25 we were paying $3.50/gal for race fuel.I assume that suppliers would have to deplete the present stock before the price begins to drop.
Occasionally I see places with corn-free gasoline.
Is there enough octane there to be acceptable?
Race fuel is much more tied to chemical prices than gasoline prices because there can be over 200 chemicals and compounds in blends of race fuel. The prices for chemicals don’t come down very often. It has happened, but not often.
Race gas prices are left up to the retailer or race track. Some have to pay such high prices from their supplier that they in turn have to price it very high to the racer.
[QUOTE=OldSchool+;154434]Occasionally I see places with corn-free gasoline.
Is there enough octane there to be acceptable?[/QUOTE]
Ethanol free gasoline is rapidly gaining popularity because it gives you far better mileage than E-10 you buy at the pump. We have Ethanol free gasoline right next to our 110 octane race fuel at the MJM Mobil gas station right down from the street from OSW. Ethanol free has an octane rating of 92 or 93 depending on the brand. It has enough octane for Pure Stocks and such, with the added advantage of going a lot more laps per tankful. It just requires re-jetting. Renegade also offers a 95 octane ethanol free gasoline.
[QUOTE=scottgarrity07;154432]I was wondering the same thing today, shorttrack, as I drove by my local Racetrac and saw gas had fallen to $1.99. I called “Racin’ Gas” (a local gas station in Pinellas Park that usually also has the cheapest racing fuel around) The price? $8.29 per gallon!
Looks like the price of fuel will only be going down unless you run a crate motor. Only $2.29 per gallon for the Super Unleaded my 602 requires…[/QUOTE]
If he’s charging $8.29, he isn’t the cheapest around.
And so…with all due respect to “Renegade Racing Fuels”–and thank you for your prompt and professional input…like tires, racing gas is a serious expense for the racer.
And as Scott mentions, the disparity between pump gas and racing gas is even more apparent now that we are refining some good 'ol USA crude.
And therefore, the question comes up “could we run on pump gasoline…?”
In fact, a track specifying pump gas as a rule might lead to less expensive motors with the requisite lower compression ratio to live…?
And the answer is yes, but man, compression is a wonderful thing. Instant power, and efficiency. On the street, a 10.5:1 motor with a small cam is a lot crisper and more fun that a 9:1 motor with a bigger cam.
On the track, off the corner response and frankly, the sound of the motor is noticably different.
The question (as always) is, “speed costs money, how fast do you want to go?”
All that said, and again, with all due respect to Renegade Racing Fuels, is there any way to get more than one vendor involved–that is, use capitalism as it was (is?) intended to get the best price to the racer?
And hence, more cars to the track, and hence, more fans in the stands, and hence, more coin to the Promoter…
You make some very good observations.
Pump gasoline will support up to approx. 11:1 compression. But that’s under ideal conditions. Towing, hot outside temps, hot under hood temps, and other variables can put a 11:1 engine over the edge on pump gas. Pump gas specs also change a lot from brand to brand and from station to station. Ethanol free gasoline has less variables, but 11:1 is about the limit for it too.
Competition among race fuel companies at each track would very likely drop the prices some. But just like with race tire companies, soft drink companies, beer companies, etc., some tracks get locked into exclusive deals in exchange for marketing money from one vendor.
[QUOTE=OldSchool+;154441]And so…with all due respect to “Renegade Racing Fuels”–and thank you for your prompt and professional input…like tires, racing gas is a serious expense for the racer.
And as Scott mentions, the disparity between pump gas and racing gas is even more apparent now that we are refining some good 'ol USA crude.
And therefore, the question comes up “could we run on pump gasoline…?”
In fact, a track specifying pump gas as a rule might lead to less expensive motors with the requisite lower compression ratio to live…?
And the answer is yes, but man, compression is a wonderful thing. Instant power, and efficiency. On the street, a 10.5:1 motor with a small cam is a lot crisper and more fun that a 9:1 motor with a bigger cam.
On the track, off the corner response and frankly, the sound of the motor is noticably different.
The question (as always) is, “speed costs money, how fast do you want to go?”[/QUOTE]
The crate motor idea originated with the intent to entice racers to run a crate and avoid buying racing fuel due to the low compression. That didn’t last long, the race fuel manufacturers quickly designed crate specific race fuels ( at the request of racers ) that allowed the crates to make much more power than they could ever get with standard pump gasoline. In fact, Renegade is the official race fuel of the Nesmith Dirt Series. Racers like Kyle Bronson, the Stokes team, and many others use those fuels to win consistently.
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One would think racing fuel prices would come down, with the prices of regular fuel coming down. When I raced, back in the day, gas was 1.05 per gallon on the street, and racing fuel was 3.50 per gallon. I will try to do some research on this… Vince
As was mentioned in an an earlier post, racing fuel doesn’t have much, if anything to do with pump gasoline. Most racing fuels are a blend of many chemicals and compounds and are often made from scratch. They don’t have any connection to regular pump gasoline.
I run the offroad/methanol free gas in my boat because it’s a 91 motor and it doesn’t have the computer controlled ignition and it’s carbs not injection. I feel it runs a little better since I switched, BUT, I decided to splurge for the methanol free in my truck for the ride home for Christmas to see if the rumor was true about getting better mileage. I didn’t see a difference in the truck and I think it’s because the newer computer ignition/injected engines can auto-tune on the fly and so you don’t notice any difference, or in my case not enough to worry about.
It’s interesting that race fuel prices go up with pump gas prices but don’t fall. They should at least fall some due to decreased delivery cost.
Sorry Renegade, but I believe all race fuel companies profits increase when pump gas price falls. Contracts keep other fuel companies from selling their fuel cheaper to competitors customers.
Hope you get that new boat with this fall in pump gas prices. LOL !
[QUOTE=UREZ2PASS;154450]It’s interesting that race fuel prices go up with pump gas prices but don’t fall. They should at least fall some due to decreased delivery cost.
Sorry Renegade, but I believe all race fuel companies profits increase when pump gas price falls. Contracts keep other fuel companies from selling their fuel cheaper to competitors customers.
Hope you get that new boat with this fall in pump gas prices. LOL ![/QUOTE]
Race fuel prices would probably fall due to decreased delivery costs, but delivery is made by vehicles running diesel and as any trucker can tell you, diesel never drops the way pump gas does. You’ll also notice that some brands of race fuel are always more expensive than others, they never seem to drop in price. As i mentioned, race fuel increases have everything to do with chemical prices and nothing to do with pump gas prices. Ours prices have gone down a little over the past couple of years. That’s why Desoto Speedway can price their race fuel at a lower price than other tracks do.
I’m not clear what you’re talking about concerning contracts and fuel companies selling to competitors customers. Are you commenting on race track fuel contracts?
If my profits went up to the point i could buy a boat, i wouldn’t spend the money on a boat. I’d build a race car.
“Most racing fuels are a blend of many chemicals and compounds and are often made from scratch. They don’t have any connection to regular pump gasoline.”–Renegade
Thank you so much for the insight here. So, I always assumed that “racing fuel” was pump gasoline with a bunch of lead and other octane enhancers, but your statement indicates that it is closer to cox glow fuel–alcohol and nitro and whatnot.
Ignore my details, they are probably all incorrect. But on the one hand, if it is mostly gasoline by volume, it theoretically should come down. Diesel delivery fuel is a given.
On the other hand, if it is truly mixed like “from scratch” that explains things a little differently.
Perhaps you could shed some light on the upward pressure of the pricing historically that seems to be correlated with gasoline. Was that coincidence?
“If my profits went up to the point i could buy a boat, i wouldn’t spend the money on a boat. I’d build a race car.”–Renegade Fuels
Almost like a “user” supporting his habit! 
[QUOTE=OldSchool+;154453]“Most racing fuels are a blend of many chemicals and compounds and are often made from scratch. They don’t have any connection to regular pump gasoline.”–Renegade
Thank you so much for the insight here. So, I always assumed that “racing fuel” was pump gasoline with a bunch of lead and other octane enhancers, but your statement indicates that it is closer to cox glow fuel–alcohol and nitro and whatnot.
Ignore my details, they are probably all incorrect. But on the one hand, if it is mostly gasoline by volume, it theoretically should come down. Diesel delivery fuel is a given.
On the other hand, if it is truly mixed like “from scratch” that explains things a little differently.
Perhaps you could shed some light on the upward pressure of the pricing historically that seems to be correlated with gasoline. Was that coincidence?[/QUOTE]
Renegade Racing Fuel prices haven’t gone up in 4 years, they’ve actually gone down for some of our blends.
[QUOTE=OldSchool+;154454]“If my profits went up to the point i could buy a boat, i wouldn’t spend the money on a boat. I’d build a race car.”–Renegade Fuels
Almost like a “user” supporting his habit! [/QUOTE]
Sort of. I’m a big fan of all types of racing, there’s almost no place i’d rather be than at a race track. And i’ve raced a number of different cars in the past.