Schedule for Sunoco 100 @ Auburndale

[QUOTE=Patrick Thomas 25;159229]Matt Albee, who are you talking to when you are talking to Patrick? If you are speaking to me, which I wouldn’t be sure why you are, since I didn’t post on this thread, but I do want to post on this thread. But not yet.

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My apologies, i got the screen names switched in my mind. I wasn’t talking to you though. I can’t multi task very well.

[QUOTE=Patrick Thomas 25;159229]Matt Albee, who are you talking to when you are talking to Patrick? If you are speaking to me, which I wouldn’t be sure why you are, since I didn’t post on this thread, but I do want to post on this thread. But not yet.

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Patrick, please chime in… I’d like to hear more input from other racers. It was nice meeting you by the way, and thank you for giving my son your trophy sat. he was very grateful. A stand up guy for sure!

[QUOTE=Matt Albee;159225]Yes, it would be a deciding factor. Even if money weren’t the issue. I don’t like getting screwed.
Getting a better deal is fairly easy. Scott told you exactly how he does it.
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Matt, could explain to me how it will be a deciding factor for you to bring your super if you don’t even have a super. I would say whether they lifted the mandatory purchase price or not, you still would not be fielding a car.

And Matt, Scott did not explain exactly anything. All he did was blow up a big smokescreen. He never mentioned exactly how much the barrels of fuel are that he buys every year nor how many. Or his source which is the only detail that could prove whether his statement was true or not. He never mentioned how much the sets of tires are he buys from “his guy”. I have to throw the BS flag on his whole statement, because it’s pretty much BS if you can’t back it up.

If these products are not readily available to the general public then it’s just a bullshit story. It won’t help the racer at all. It just helps the guy who will cut somebody’s throat and by products out the back door. Like I said before, he won’t post the price that he is getting them for and he won’t post his source, to me again it’s just a bullshit story.

Anybody can come on here just like you and say that you can obtain these items cheaper than we get them for the track but I have yet to have you anybody post this mysterious location and pricing. Again it’s another bullshit story.

So again. I will ask either one of you to disclose your sources where we can buy the tires cheaper than we can buy them for at the track. And please do the same thing for Sunoco standard 110.

Sunoco has a standard pricing for all its distributors. Right now Sunoco standard 110 if you buy it in bulk $500.78 for 55gals. that does not include the barrel fee and the cost to either ship it or go pick it up. Like I said. The invoice last 55 gallon drum that I bought a few months ago was $599.50 including the drum. it is even more in a 5 gallon container. So again. I will throw the bullshit flag.

Now don’t get me wrong. There’s a legitimate ways to get the fuel cheaper than you can buy it for at the track. Sunoco gives you a substantial break ($2.50 a gal) after you buy a minimum of 4-55 gallon drums. And if you buy eight it’s an even more substantial break. So the race track with that sponsor deal from the fuel vendor gets the fuel at a substantial discount. They can sell it to you cheaper than you can buy it for anywhere else and still make a profit after paying somebody to pump it for you and the administrative value that is included. Again, that is why you can buy a cheaper at the track then you can’t anywhere else. So Scott would have to buy a minimum of four barrels and go pick them up and store them for about a year to get a dollar 50 per gallon break on the fuel. That’s a $15 savings on 10 gallons that is mandatory to buy at the track. To me it is not worth the hassle nor the out-of-pocket expense that Scott claims to not have to save $15 when I get to the racetrack.

FYI. You’re throwing out all these names of different fuel brands and fuel vendors or even pump gas. You probably don’t even realize in the rules, the rules call for specific brands of fuel that we must run at the track. And it also states that you are not allowed to run any type of pump gas.

And just to clarify. I normally burn about 20 to 27 gallons on a race weekend. It really doesn’t concern me if I have to buy 10 gallons of fuel to help support the track. The few dollars you claim it may be costing me it’s really not even worth the time of this thread.

Matt. You ask how buying tires and fuel at the track can benefit the racer. If the racer supports the race track the racetrack stays in business. Then the racers have a place to race. And you have a place to come watch racers race and bring your friends.

In turn that gives meaning to your life. Then you can go home and get on the Internet and bitch about why racers shouldn’t go to the racetrack and support it. And tell them why they are getting screwed by the racetrack owner because the race track owner is spending large amounts of money to buy large volumes of race fuel so he can sell it to you at a discount price and make a little profit. And how tah profit is screwing the racer over. I like where you’re going with this!!!

Now if the race track owner doesn’t make any profit. The lights turn off.

So, I would suggest if you would like to help make racing better in the state of Florida, that you take some of Ricky Brooks great advice he told you in a earlier post and “shut your pie hole”. At some of the best advice I’ve seen Ricky post in a long time.

Thanks again

Ps. I don’t know how you got brought into that Patrick. Matt’s not the sharpest tool in the shed. We will see you Pitside

Well that explains everything. What a big fucking waste of time.

It’s things like the stuff you post and things like Scott trying to cut out his local track of the main reasons why short track racing is going down the crap hole. Scott’s probably one of those racers it thinks the race track shouldn’t make a dime on anything but should keep the lights on for him to come run his car when he decides to come race once or twice a year. And then you guys will probably be the first ones on the Internet bitching when they close the doors.

My boy is doing a doubleheader at Pensacola and Mobile this weekend. And I’m pretty sure they’re buying the 5 sets of tires and 60 gallons of fuel at the track.

Good luck with your crusade. It’s really doing wonders for short track racing in Florida.

Thanks again

[QUOTE=mr south 59;159237]Well that explains everything. What a big fucking waste of time.

It’s things like the stuff you post and things like Scott trying to cut out his local track of the main reasons why short track racing is going down the crap hole. Scott’s probably one of those racers it thinks the race track shouldn’t make a dime on anything but should keep the lights on for him to come run his car when he decides to come race once or twice a year. And then you guys will probably be the first ones on the Internet bitching when they close the doors.

My boy is doing a doubleheader at Pensacola and Mobile this weekend. And I’m pretty sure they’re buying the 5 sets of tires and 60 gallons of fuel at the track.

Good luck with your crusade. It’s really doing wonders for short track racing in Florida.

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Are you personally buying the 5 sets of tires and 60 gallons of fuel or is the sponsor/team owner?

^^^^^the reason why the tracks (most of them have Shitty car counts and are crappy are:A. Tech is inconsistent B. No one can agree on rules to allow cars to run from track to track ( SUPERS,Pro Late, Modified, Sportsman, Mod Mini and Superstock ) should have the same rules. If people could figure that out I’m sure car counts would increase. Who wants to change so much crap including tires to go race at another track? People would love to go venture out and race somewhere else every now and then but the first 2 examples stops that. C. Track owners and reps need to treat racers as customers not the other way around. D. Most tracks can’t seem to sit down and come up with schedules to allow racers to go from track to track. (Maybe alternate schedules for area tracks? ) Come up with series that visit each track once? Sounds reasonable ? E. Don’t have a million classes of classes. And F. Keep it fresh and for god sakes stop charging so much for big races. If I gotta pay $25 x’s 3=$75 to go see 10-15 latemodels I’m staying home. So instead of getting $15 x’s 3= $45 and then $50 in beer and food your now getting 0$. And the tire and fuel thing. Allow people to bring their own fuel( you can put additives in your cell and top it off with track fuel so that argument is invalid. And tires can be checked . Maybe offer $100 extra for top finishing car who purchases tires and fuel for big races ? I agree we need to support local tracks but if someone scrapes up money to buy good take offs let them run.

this is beyond ridiculous, I’m not giving up names for a reason. Apparently you take me for a fool… which I assure you i’m not. If I could get the product cheaper or even a few bucks more at the track I would. Once again if you aren’t living in a hole its pretty clear who I deal with. give it up, I put my work in. Here’s an idea Mr dunn…if you want that kind of relationship with a shop, you put in the work! plenty of shops around. I do work in exchange for cheaper products. Can everyone do it with my connection? no. but what difference does it make? If someone strikes a deal with a Hoosier dealer out of the loop or trades, what difference does it make as long as its the track tire per rules?

as for people like me putting tracks out of business… you got to be kidding. How’s the big car counts working out lately? Last week 7 latemodels showed at nss, if everyone bought 1 set and the track profit was $30 a set (yeah right) we are talking $210 for the night. If that closes doors, they weren’t going to last at all anyways.

The whole point is that car counts are down, fans are dwindling, and instead of trying to get car count up however necessary we implement nonsense rules that don’t effect the track much but do effect the low buck racer. On one post you say the tracks don’t make any $ to speak of off from tires/fuel, the next post you say by racers not buying them at the track will close tracks down. Figure out what it is you want to say and get back to me.

Sucking up to Brooks wont get you far. ( from what I’ve heard he’s short lived anyways at one track. might want to find out who his replacement will be and start kissing up).

The very unprofessional arrogant responses that he is giving to racers and fans concerns, combined with the bs rules being forced is what’s hurting the tracks. Look at how Adale’s post blew up over this. good stuff… great for business I assume.

Racer6. You are exactly right. It has nothing to do with the minimum mandatory purchase that is hurting car account. We all have to buy that stuff to raise anyway. A good part of it is exactly what you said.

Exner, a lot you guys know me and my boy racing out super late model around Florida and in the southeastern United States. My boy also works for a predominant super late model team where he is the tire specialist. And yes the father of the boy driving the car buys the five sets of tires and the 60 gallons of fuel. How else would they get them?

[QUOTE=mr south 59;159235]Matt, could explain to me how it will be a deciding factor for you to bring your super if you don’t even have a super. I would say whether they lifted the mandatory purchase price or not, you still would not be fielding a car.

And Matt, Scott did not explain exactly anything. All he did was blow up a big smokescreen. He never mentioned exactly how much the barrels of fuel are that he buys every year nor how many. Or his source which is the only detail that could prove whether his statement was true or not. He never mentioned how much the sets of tires are he buys from “his guy”. I have to throw the BS flag on his whole statement, because it’s pretty much BS if you can’t back it up.

If these products are not readily available to the general public then it’s just a bullshit story. It won’t help the racer at all. It just helps the guy who will cut somebody’s throat and by products out the back door. Like I said before, he won’t post the price that he is getting them for and he won’t post his source, to me again it’s just a bullshit story.

Anybody can come on here just like you and say that you can obtain these items cheaper than we get them for the track but I have yet to have you anybody post this mysterious location and pricing. Again it’s another bullshit story.

So again. I will ask either one of you to disclose your sources where we can buy the tires cheaper than we can buy them for at the track. And please do the same thing for Sunoco standard 110.

Sunoco has a standard pricing for all its distributors. Right now Sunoco standard 110 if you buy it in bulk $500.78 for 55gals. that does not include the barrel fee and the cost to either ship it or go pick it up. Like I said. The invoice last 55 gallon drum that I bought a few months ago was $599.50 including the drum. it is even more in a 5 gallon container. So again. I will throw the bullshit flag.

Now don’t get me wrong. There’s a legitimate ways to get the fuel cheaper than you can buy it for at the track. Sunoco gives you a substantial break ($2.50 a gal) after you buy a minimum of 4-55 gallon drums. And if you buy eight it’s an even more substantial break. So the race track with that sponsor deal from the fuel vendor gets the fuel at a substantial discount. They can sell it to you cheaper than you can buy it for anywhere else and still make a profit after paying somebody to pump it for you and the administrative value that is included. Again, that is why you can buy a cheaper at the track then you can’t anywhere else. So Scott would have to buy a minimum of four barrels and go pick them up and store them for about a year to get a dollar 50 per gallon break on the fuel. That’s a $15 savings on 10 gallons that is mandatory to buy at the track. To me it is not worth the hassle nor the out-of-pocket expense that Scott claims to not have to save $15 when I get to the racetrack.

FYI. You’re throwing out all these names of different fuel brands and fuel vendors or even pump gas. You probably don’t even realize in the rules, the rules call for specific brands of fuel that we must run at the track. And it also states that you are not allowed to run any type of pump gas.

And just to clarify. I normally burn about 20 to 27 gallons on a race weekend. It really doesn’t concern me if I have to buy 10 gallons of fuel to help support the track. The few dollars you claim it may be costing me it’s really not even worth the time of this thread.[/QUOTE]

Lets start with the rules. Desoto and Auburndale allow you to use any brand of race gas you like. I believe the same is true for most tracks in Florida, the obvious hold outs being Showtime and NSS i think.
Your shortsighted idea of buying the tires and gas at the track miss a very obvious point. There are speed shops, race shops, and others trying to survive. You can’t possibly be so clueless that you think it’s a BAD idea to spread the money around, help keep everyone in business. The tracks don’t bother to lift a finger toward selling advertising to keep themselves healthy, i’m sure not going to feel sorry for them if they can’t also grab all of the tire and gas money too.
We won’t bother going into the gas price nonsense again, i already gave you 2 examples by name, that can sell you race gas cheaper. You can call BS on Scott all you like, but i’m not seeing you prove him wrong. He gets a deal on tires, you call bs. He gets a deal on gas, you call bs. From what you’ve posted, i go along with my original statement that whoever is selling you gas sure must hate you. Probably the same with the tires. It just might be that Scott has a gas supplier that is willing to deal. Or he might buy an entirely different brand.
It looks like some tracks charge a reasonable price for tires and gas. I guess Palm Beach isn’t one of those where race gas is concerned. Neither is Showtime from what i’ve seen posted.

[QUOTE=mr south 59;159237]Well that explains everything. What a big fucking waste of time.

It’s things like the stuff you post and things like Scott trying to cut out his local track of the main reasons why short track racing is going down the crap hole. Scott’s probably one of those racers it thinks the race track shouldn’t make a dime on anything but should keep the lights on for him to come run his car when he decides to come race once or twice a year. And then you guys will probably be the first ones on the Internet bitching when they close the doors.

My boy is doing a doubleheader at Pensacola and Mobile this weekend. And I’m pretty sure they’re buying the 5 sets of tires and 60 gallons of fuel at the track.

Good luck with your crusade. It’s really doing wonders for short track racing in Florida.

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from what I understand you guys race hit and miss as well, why is that? too expensive? I had to ask someone who you were because I never heard of you before, so the 1 or 2 races a year thing holds no weight. yes I’ve only raced a handful of times here, we’ve been plagued with issues since getting a slm, but we keep at it, and want to race as much as possible, and I’m not going anywhere. If I could run my new tires that I already have I could run more often.( My daddy doesn’t buy my tires) :anim_pound:

When we race our super. Yes I am ultimately the one that pays for everything. But with that being said we do not go to the racetrack unless we have at least $1000 in sponsorship. We work very hard to secure those sponsors. It is almost like another job. That is why we only had a nine race schedule this year.

Matt, I called your drag race shop and for me to go there and pick up a 55 gallon drum it will cost me more money than if I just buy it right here. $500.75 plus the barrel. And you and Scott have yet to post where I can buy tires and the prices for both. So I have no alternative than to call bullshit on your shit stirring agenda. You are the one who is oblivious to why there is low car count and low fan count and believe me it has nothing to do with having to buy 10 gallons of fuel and a few tires. So again I will just call bullshit iIf all the racers cannot purchase it doesn’t help the racers or the car count. Have a good day.

Yeah Scott. We don’t follow one series or one track. We are picking selected races around the Southeast and just having fun. We have nine races on our schedule this year throughout the Southeast which started at the Governors cup with the debut of our new 2015 GARC. We were only going to do one race at DeSoto but now it looks like we’re going to do three now. And then we will be out of the state of Florida for the rest of the year. I can’t really afford to do more than about nine races a year. It has nothing to do with mandatory fuel entire purchases that keeps us away from the track. It more has to do with making the same amount of money we were making 10 years ago but everything cost 10 times as much.

And sorry for calling a spade a spade but, If you’re paying for tires for working for somebody that is really no different than paying for tires with cash. To me that’s neither here nor there. That doesn’t help the racer trying to purchase tires. Does it?

[QUOTE=mr south 59;159245]When we race our super. Yes I am ultimately the one that pays for everything. But with that being said we do not go to the racetrack unless we have at least $1000 in sponsorship. We work very hard to secure those sponsors. It is almost like another job. That is why we only had a nine race schedule this year.

Matt, I called your drag race shop and for me to go there and pick up a 55 gallon drum it will cost me more money than if I just buy it right here. $500.75 plus the barrel. And you and Scott have yet to post where I can buy tires and the prices for both. So I have no alternative than to call bullshit on your shit stirring agenda. You are the one who is oblivious to why there is low car count and low fan count and believe me it has nothing to do with having to buy 10 gallons of fuel and a few tires. So again I will just call bullshit iIf all the racers cannot purchase it doesn’t help the racers or the car count. Have a good day.[/QUOTE]

And yet that "drag race shop " says they don’t charge for the barrel. I also don’t recall them identifying themselves as a drag race shop when they answered the phone. Maybe i just missed that part.
Are you familiar with the word shill?

Any more news or info about the race? The OP and 2 replies focus on info…the remainder of the thread is a pissing contest.

My friend in New Smyrna tells me that NSS doesn’t use Snoko ( as Larry Mac would say ). He said they switched to a better gas. So the pricing isn’t going to be the same, although he says the gas prices at NSS are crazy. Tire prices seem to be about average.
I was also told that 5 Flags has a mandatory fuel rule. I’m not sure what they sell for tires or gas, or what the prices are.

Ben-jammin,

Am planning on attending this event, barring the crik don’t rise no more (the planned transport vehicle {a Ford product} just took a dump).

Will let you know if there are any racer boycotts or etc., but 100 laps of late models at Auburndale?

Am looking forward to it!! & will provide my usual jumbled thoughts/recap later.

Matt theres a track in Georgia for sale called Gresham Motorsports Park. Why dont you purchase it and show all these tracks how its done.

Important fact.

Some boobie bars have a minimum drink purchase and they sell drinks for way more than regular bars.

Where’s the outrage Matt !

Nah, i’d want one in Florida. But thanks for the heads up.