NASCAR Ordered Fans To Remove Their Confederate Flags at Daytona.

Here’s the video.I believe one our own is in it.

Ordered??? :fragend005:

Jim, the problem with that dumb flag is not that it’s racist. And it’s not that the people flying it are racist. Well…some of them aren’t. That flag stood for something very different in it’s day than it does now. And it stood for, and still stands for something very different for African Americans than it does for whites. So you finding nothing wrong with it doesn’t mean others aren’t seeing a lot wrong with it. If that flag illustrates your heritage, it also illustrates the black heritage. Not to mention the countless lives that were needlessly lost in defense of that flag.
Show a little empathy for your fellow man. Or don’t, and keep the confederate flag on everything you own. It’s your choice because it isn’t really all that important in the big picture.
Now as for nascar, they’re just in the midst of their usual rush to be seen on the correct side of history. None of the hierarchy at nascar ever even noticed those flags, except to make fun of the " hillbillys " flying them, while counting the gate receipts. If nascar does nothing in the great flag debate, they’re made fun of in the press. So they really have to make some gesture.

For the sake of discussion…

I really don’t like your post, regardless of what you meant.

Others have told me that it suckled, and therefore, you do as well.

I find it offensive.

Could you first apologize and then remove it, please?

They told you it suckled???

And in other news,10 dead after 34 shootings in Chicago over the 4th of July weekend,

Not a single confederate flag, anywhere to be found either. What do we blame it on? The easy access to guns? Nope, some of the toughest gun laws in the country… Hmmmm…

Actually, the gun laws in Chicago are pretty weak compared to other large cities. Chicago has had major problems with gun violence for a long time.
But not a confederate flag in sight during any of the Chicago killings as far as i know. It was featured front and center in the church shootings by the killer himself, and used as an excuse for the killings. So it looks as though random, mindless killings happen for more than one or two reasons. Let’s do all we can to stop as many of the reasons as possible.

In your opinion, what does it stand for “now” since you commented?

If the people that fly the flag state their reasoning in good faith, who over the years has convinced many (most) Negros that it means hate? Black/Brown Race baiters? I have never met a white person that states that the flag means hate. I own one myself. (the flag) Which black group complained about NASCAR? None…How do you know how your black neighbor feels? I don’t have one. Do you discuss it in depth with him/her? Please share with the group.

I can think of many things that I personally disagree with in society, like gay marriage and other views, but I pray for those who disagree with me to change their view…a struggle for sure! Should they remove the rainbows???

Why do you imply stars and bars mean bad things for some?

Demographically how many blacks, Negros, African Americans, colored folk or whatever the name of choice is this year attend NASCAR races, watch NASCAR races, or really care? Negroes are about 13% of total population in the US.

Classic example of the tale wagging the dog…for the politicians to play with to get votes. Mob mentality.

We allow all sorts of disgusting porn in the US but worry about a flag or a word? Why doesn’t he Speedway worry about closing the porn shop right before you go to the track?

[QUOTE=Matt Albee;162526]Jim, the problem with that dumb flag is not that it’s racist. And it’s not that the people flying it are racist. Well…some of them aren’t. That flag stood for something very different in it’s day than it does now. And it stood for, and still stands for something very different for African Americans than it does for whites. So you finding nothing wrong with it doesn’t mean others aren’t seeing a lot wrong with it. If that flag illustrates your heritage, it also illustrates the black heritage. Not to mention the countless lives that were needlessly lost in defense of that flag.
Show a little empathy for your fellow man. Or don’t, and keep the confederate flag on everything you own. It’s your choice because it isn’t really all that important in the big picture.
Now as for nascar, they’re just in the midst of their usual rush to be seen on the correct side of history. None of the hierarchy at nascar ever even noticed those flags, except to make fun of the " hillbillys " flying them, while counting the gate receipts. If nascar does nothing in the great flag debate, they’re made fun of in the press. So they really have to make some gesture.[/QUOTE]

Matt, it is VERY rare that I agree with anything you have to say, so include this as one I also don’t agree with or even like. The flag in mention was never considered racist until the KKK used it in their ceremonies and cross burnings. Blacks and whites fought under that flag for the South for several reasons, and one reason was not slavery. The Northerners owned and traded slaves as my ancestors did in that time. The war was for independence from the North telling us what to do to suit them. Race relations have gone to hell in the 6 years this bozo has been in office. MLK is rolling in his grave right now. This country was ready for a black president, we just got the wrong one.
Nuff said…
-JIM-

[QUOTE=Groundpounder;162537]In your opinion, what does it stand for “now” since you commented?

If the people that fly the flag state their reasoning in good faith, who over the years has convinced many (most) Negros that it means hate? Black/Brown Race baiters? I have never met a white person that states that the flag means hate. I own one myself. (the flag) Maybe complaining Negros should focus on jobs, marriage, the ten commandments and love towards all mankind. You know being a viable worthwhile person in society. Floks will love them back… Which black group complained about NASCAR? None…How do you know how your black neighbor feels? I don’t have one. Do you discuss it in depth with him/her? Please share with the group.

I can think of many things that I personally disagree with in society, like gay marriage and other views, but I pray for those who disagree with me to change their view…a struggle for sure! Should they remove the rainbows???

Why do you imply stars and bars mean bad things for some?

Demographically how many blacks, Negros, African Americans, colored folk or whatever the name of choice is this year attend NASCAR races, watch NASCAR races, or really care? Negroes are about 13% of total population in the US.

Classic example of the tale wagging the dog…for the politicians to play with to get votes. Mob mentality.

We allow all sorts of disgusting porn in the US but worry about a flag or a word? Why doesn’t he Speedway worry about closing the porn shop right before you go to the track?[/QUOTE]

You’d have to ask the speedway about that. Yes, as usual the tail is wagging the dog when world events meet politicians or nascar.

Thank you Tonka… :ernaehrung004:
-JIM-

[QUOTE=ocalasp76;162538]Matt, it is VERY rare that I agree with anything you have to say, so include this as one I also don’t agree with or even like. The flag in mention was never considered racist until the KKK used it in their ceremonies and cross burnings. Blacks and whites fought under that flag for the South for several reasons, and one reason was not slavery. The Northerners owned and traded slaves as my ancestors did in that time. The war was for independence from the North telling us what to do to suit them. Race relations have gone to hell in the 6 years this bozo has been in office. MLK is rolling in his grave right now. This country was ready for a black president, we just got the wrong one.
Nuff said…
-JIM-[/QUOTE]

As i said above, not everyone that flys that flag is a racist, only some of them.

So a small minority should govern the lives of the BIG majority. That is not freedom to express in my book, that’s Socialism and oppression…
-JIM-

The Tea Party seems to think so.

Your post states “well…some of them aren’t”,You may want to go back and edit it again

:anim_pound:

[QUOTE=Matt Albee;162535]Actually, the gun laws in Chicago are pretty weak compared to other large cities. Chicago has had major problems with gun violence for a long time.
But not a confederate flag in sight during any of the Chicago killings as far as i know. It was featured front and center in the church shootings by the killer himself, and used as an excuse for the killings. So it looks as though random, mindless killings happen for more than one or two reasons. Let’s do all we can to stop as many of the reasons as possible.[/QUOTE]

So, under Matt’s logic the confederate flag was featured by the kid who did the church shootings, he also had a gold’s gym shirt on in one photo. How come no one is boycotting them?

Instead of causing a mess with the flag and further dividing the country how come no one is too concerned about how he got the gun to do the shooting with? He had a pending felony drug charge, so he could have not bought it himself? Did his dad give it to him after he purchased it?

People need to deal with the piece that did the killing not the flag he was holding, suppose it was an American Flag. What then?

Also, Chicago has some pretty strict gun laws, the problem is the neighboring states has less stringent gun laws and people just go out of state to purchase the guns.

And Jim, I am glad to see that there are people like you that will not back down and give up their rights just to make the PC crowd happy. I hope they were pissed when they saw the confederate flags flying high. Let them go home afterwards and think happy thoughts about unicorns and rainbows!

Look, it is all emotionally-charged-we-got-an-excuse rhetoric.

The real goal is to chisel away at our First Amendment Rights (not the second or third…)–those pertaining to Free Speech.

Why was that amendment written? By default it assumes others will not like what you say or how you express yourself, and theoretically ensures your right to do so, particularly in dissent.

Two thoughts:

> In 1987 a photograph was a winner in the “Awards in the Visual Arts” competition at the Southeastern Center for Contemporary Arts, which is partially sponsored by the National Endowment for the Arts, a US Government Agency. The photograph? “Immersion (Piss Christ)” --a picture of a crucifix in a container of the photographer’s urine (note–I did not say artist).

Is this offensive? To most in the country (70+%) that “identify” as Christians, certainly. But it was defended as “free speech” and we tolerated it because of the need for all of us to be able to express our opinions. There were no arbitrary limits subsequently placed on what is allowable (or not) as “art”.

>>If you haven’t read any of George Orwell’s “fiction”, it might be a good time to consider it. “1984” and “Animal Farm” are more than interesting. Written in the mid '40s, it is amazing how much rings true today.

[QUOTE=ocalasp76;162538]Matt, it is VERY rare that I agree with anything you have to say, so include this as one I also don’t agree with or even like. The flag in mention was never considered racist until the KKK used it in their ceremonies and cross burnings. Blacks and whites fought under that flag for the South for several reasons, and one reason was not slavery. The Northerners owned and traded slaves as my ancestors did in that time. The war was for independence from the North telling us what to do to suit them. Race relations have gone to hell in the 6 years this bozo has been in office. MLK is rolling in his grave right now. This country was ready for a black president, we just got the wrong one.
Nuff said…
-JIM-[/QUOTE]

That’s an entertaining re-write of American history Jim. Nuff said…

[QUOTE=exnyer;162545]So, under Matt’s logic the confederate flag was featured by the kid who did the church shootings, he also had a gold’s gym shirt on in one photo. How come no one is boycotting them?

Instead of causing a mess with the flag and further dividing the country how come no one is too concerned about how he got the gun to do the shooting with? He had a pending felony drug charge, so he could have not bought it himself? Did his dad give it to him after he purchased it?

People need to deal with the piece that did the killing not the flag he was holding, suppose it was an American Flag. What then?

Also, Chicago has some pretty strict gun laws, the problem is the neighboring states has less stringent gun laws and people just go out of state to purchase the guns.

And Jim, I am glad to see that there are people like you that will not back down and give up their rights just to make the PC crowd happy. I hope they were pissed when they saw the confederate flags flying high. Let them go home afterwards and think happy thoughts about unicorns and rainbows![/QUOTE]

Golds Gym is next on the boycott list.

Guns do need to be dealt with. This might be the push that’s needed for some reforms.

What if he was holding an NRA flag? He wasn’t holding an American Flag, so we’ll never know.

I’m not sure what ol Jim was standing up to exactly. No where did Daytona say you couldn’t bring that flag to the track. No where did Daytona say they were banning that flag. What they did say was they would happily trade a nascar flag for a confederate flag if any fan wanted to. There was Jim doing interviews for a problem that didn’t even exist.

If Jim wants to fight nascar, he should contact nascar, not make tough sounding videos that very few are going to ever see. I’m actually on Jim’s side about nascar ordering people to get rid of their flags. Or at least i would be if that had happened.