Citrus county pure stock race issues !!!!!!

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Well, the best thing would be if all of the Central Florida Tracks ran the same rules.

I count 7. Seems like it would not be a big deal.

But here we are. I guess the prevailing thinking is that some tracks want to work together, and some want unique rules, presumably to capture a field of cars that is “theirs”.

Either way, fair enough, it is their track, and lights, and rules. Nobody has to go to any particular track.

Soooooooo, if a racer wants to run a given track, hopefully he will take the time to learn the rules to the letter and follow them–and the track will enforce them so everyone else does the same.

The “issues” start when either a track (not Citrus necessarily, this is hypothetical) lets a fast guy “slide”, or at the other end of the spectrum, changes or re-interprets rules to slow down a fast guy–even though he is legal per the rules.

BUT, car count IS the show, so it is a mutually beneficial–or mutually damaging-- deal.

A tough sport to be in, no doubt. Hopefully they get it worked out.

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Just curious raced for many years up north, just a seat warmer in the stands today, but what was the other infractions found on the car? Is there a rule stating no tubular transmisson mount? Weight difference would be felt low in the car, where you want the weight, maybe warn the team that you don’t want them to run at your track anymore, don’t DQ them, just tell them you have enough race cars and you don’t need them , their car, and their fans to support your track.

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What ass would make you do that… engine to far back…lol

don62

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setback

[QUOTE=Don Nerone;173486]What ass would make you do that… engine to far back…lol

don62[/QUOTE]

could be , I have been caught to be wrong, lose all points also. you can bet 7- had some setback, no other reason to cut on stock firewall

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Lol

Stock firewall was not cut at all or even beat with a hammer one bit. So before you listen to what someone else says maybe you should check out for yourself. The very top of the firewall where the wiper motor goes was cut behind carb and that’s it. I’m not trying to get into a pissing match about it, the car has been that way for 15 yrs now and no other track has ever said anything about it. If that was a problem how come the other 6 or 7 times it’s been thru tech why wasn’t something said then. I’m gonna fix the little crap and be back sometime to prove to the whiners it doesn’t matter. We planned on racing all yr there but not after that bs happened again.

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Citrus #77

And so we still are only talking about the crossmember , there
We’re “4” count’ FOUR other items that failed tech on same night.
Maybe you’ll say it was the red paint ! Lol

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Just because someone has been able to get away with speeding on the highway for 15 years, doesn’t mean they weren’t violating the law…just means they finally got caught. You can’t argue with black and white, it’s there for everyone to see, including your team.

Get it right if you choose to come back, if you don’t, then continue to speed in hopes of not getting caught for another 15 years.

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When each track has it’s rules for each class, it’s tough to race more than one track. Citrus has decided to tech cars according to their rules. There doesn’t seem to be a giant difference in rules from track to track, so maybe as time goes on, the rules will get closer together.
Citrus is the premiere race facility in the state right now, but they’re new and they’re trying to build a base of race cars. They’ve made big strides so far, and as this season progresses i think they’ll have even bigger fields every week. But they have decided that a very important component of good racing is good tech. And i don’t know how any racer can disagree with that approach.
I hope Justin does continue to race at Citrus. That 77 car runs like it does because of car prep and driving, not just because of trans crossmembers.

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Citrus is certainly a very nice facility.

There are lots of “good” tracks right now, and in some respects, at least to some folks, each is “best”.

Equally true is that in some respects, at least to some folks, each have room for improvement.

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Citrus County Speedway

[QUOTE=OldSchool+;173473]Well, the best thing would be if all of the Central Florida Tracks ran the same rules.

Ding.Ding.Ding. You are the winner. If the five or 6 tracks here in Central Florida pulled their heads out of their asses, and each track didn’t manipulate the rules for whatever reason the racing world would benefit. I Do not know the gentlemen or his car in this thread but I do know that Citrus is out on their own island with the modifieds. This is why I say this.

  1. They deemed a steering quickner illegal. The same steering quickners that racers have been using for years so that you can run a stock 16 to 1 box instead of a much more expensive racing box. The tech man raced with one for years.

  2. They have isolated the Ford lowers because they simply don’t understand how people were using them to bend the rules with a Camaro front clip…Not a big impala clip a Camaro clip…two different animals.

  3. They will no longer let you weld your ball joints in the lower control arm. We do this for two things. One being clearance and the other being able to screw a new one in a weld in insert so that it can be quickly fixed at the track.

  4. No billet pitman arms and no adjustable idlers. lol. Ever tried bumping a stock clip car for racing ? you better get all the mixed matched parts just right or you may be bending your tie rods to get what you want. And slotting you stock idler arm

  5. And then finally…And I can honestly say that I like this one but its probably not good for our class is that they are giving the stock clip cars a weight advantage and left side advantage.

Citrus County Speedway is a great establishment and I love the new racing surface. unfortunately they have isolated many Modifieds and sadly only running 6 or 7 races all year long.

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Ding ding ding

Dang openwm53 your about then only one that kinda gets what I’m saying. The class is gonna end up just like the mods with no one supporting it because of stupid crap in the tech shed. The place is awesome to race on and is prob my favorite in fl by far. Also never heard back from Cameron after leaving voicemail. Also idk where the 5 infractions came from but was only told about 3 things that led to the dq which were transmission crossmember which it doesn’t stat anywhere it has to be stock, center link which is actually stock for the car and have plenty of info to prove it is, and motor location which I have a stock frame with stock motors mounts still on it to prove the motor is in stock location, because just telling me you can tell doesn’t not cut it. If Cameron doesn’t want to talk or realize they were wrong that’s fine we can go somewhere else but from the looks of it, it doesn’t look like he should be running cars off just like he did to the mods. Shawn whoever you are do you race in the pure stocks or no and I have pics of my firewall that has not been moved since you think it is.

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Here is the other side of the coin:

There will be some cars that meet what some have labeled “restrictive rules” at Citrus.

If a car is Citrus legal, it appears that it will be less than competitive at other tracks with more open rules. Where do we think they will run?

And if they run Citrus exclusively, and Citrus continues to pay good money, then the “good” cars will get better.

And soon enough a hot shoe or two will be building cars “for Citrus rules” to get some of that money–and glory.

It seems to me that eventually it is all about the money. If there is enough of it for Citrus to potentially weather a medium sized field for a while, and enough of it to keep paying, the racers will come back. From somewhere.

Meanwhile, Citrus will not have to worry about scheduling over another track, or be concerned about who is or is not coming from “x” speedway. They will have their own field every week. Like tracks did in the 60s.

In the end it is mostly always about the money.

All that said, I have not changed my mind about universal rules (as I believe they would help the racers), but hey, they are the owners, and I respect their right to run their deal any way they would like.

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old school

[QUOTE=OldSchool+;173547]Here is the other side of the coin:

There will be some cars that meet what some have labeled “restrictive rules” at Citrus.

If a car is Citrus legal, it appears that it will be less than competitive at other tracks with more open rules. Where do we think they will run?

And if they run Citrus exclusively, and Citrus continues to pay good money, then the “good” cars will get better.

And soon enough a hot shoe or two will be building cars “for Citrus rules” to get some of that money–and glory.

It seems to me that eventually it is all about the money. If there is enough of it for Citrus to potentially weather a medium sized field for a while, and enough of it to keep paying, the racers will come back. From somewhere.

Meanwhile, Citrus will not have to worry about scheduling over another track, or be concerned about who is or is not coming from “x” speedway. They will have their own field every week. Like tracks did in the 60s.

In the end it is mostly always about the money.

All that said, I have not changed my mind about universal rules (as I believe they would help the racers), but hey, they are the owners, and I respect their right to run their deal any way they would like.[/QUOTE]

Indeed it is their sandbox…But most racers will not settle for a 6 race series. I personally wouldn’t want to be crowned champion of a 6 race season. I failed to point out that they are the only track on the west coast that decided to run the grooved tires again.

As far as Citrus only cars…yea there’s a few that I know of. And when it comes to payout. Well Yoho set the precedence with that and he plans to keep up while staying on the same tire with 16 scheduled modified races. The only local track that has a true modified season…Sorry Citrus YOHO will destroy you on car count this year for the mod class. Get your heads out of your asses.

Realize that the new rules you have implemented are made up bull crap. Read your own rules …hell read ShowTime’s rules…after all they are the old Citrus rules that were adopted by Showtime…

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[QUOTE=openwm53;173525][QUOTE=OldSchool+;173473]

  1. They will no longer let you weld your ball joints in the lower control arm. We do this for two things. One being clearance and the other being able to screw a new one in a weld in insert so that it can be quickly fixed at the track.

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I just re-read the OWM rules, twice, and there is no mention of the lower ball joint being welded not being allow. Must be in the stock location is all that is said. Please show where you saw this in the rules.
-JIM-

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[QUOTE=ocalasp76;173557][QUOTE=openwm53;173525]

I just re-read the OWM rules, twice, and there is no mention of the lower ball joint being welded not being allow. Must be in the stock location is all that is said. Please show where you saw this in the rules.
-JIM-[/QUOTE]

My point exactly…Call Robert Ray or Cameron ray

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Jim.

No grinding or cutting. Try and put a Howe replaceable ball joint in without doing this.

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“I personally wouldn’t want to be crowned champion of a 6 race season.”--OWM53

I can understand that.

But to some that may look better than following the #53, #7, Wayne Jefferson, etc. most every week.

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I’m not sure there’s a specific number of events that can be classified as a championship season. The World Series only has 7. One way i can think of to ensure a championship season longer than 6 races is to show up at each event and race. If the track sees a great turnout, they would likely extend the number of races, and everyone, from fan to racer would benefit.
As these things often do in auto racing, i’m sure everything will work out in the end. The racers came to Citrus County Speedway because of the brand new racing surface, the incredible pit area, and the big payouts. Some cars were caught out in tech and some racers vowed to never go back there. But most racers realize it’s a damn nice place to race and the payouts are better than any other short track in the state. So most will race at Citrus.
Citrus and Showtime have it going on at the moment, 4-17 Speedway is doing a good job. Between the 3 tracks, i think you’ll see some cooperation over time.

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Old School

[QUOTE=OldSchool+;173560]“I personally wouldn’t want to be crowned champion of a 6 race season.”--OWM53

I can understand that.

But to some that may look better than following the #53, #7, Wayne Jefferson, etc. most every week.[/QUOTE]

Your too kind…I have been a field filler as of late. But just went round 3 with the Howe car and the Cope car is now getting attention.

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Renegade

[QUOTE=Renegade Racing Fuels;173561]I’m not sure there’s a specific number of events that can be classified as a championship season. The World Series only has 7. One way i can think of to ensure a championship season longer than 6 races is to show up at each event and race. If the track sees a great turnout, they would likely extend the number of races, and everyone, from fan to racer would benefit.
As these things often do in auto racing, i’m sure everything will work out in the end. The racers came to Citrus County Speedway because of the brand new racing surface, the incredible pit area, and the big payouts. Some cars were caught out in tech and some racers vowed to never go back there. But most racers realize it’s a damn nice place to race and the payouts are better than any other short track in the state. So most will race at Citrus.
Citrus and Showtime have it going on at the moment, 4-17 Speedway is doing a good job. Between the 3 tracks, i think you’ll see some cooperation over time.[/QUOTE]

You have to acknowledge that their are other tracks…citrus does not have the best payout. unless they upped the ante this year.

417, Desoto and A-dale have adopted a set of rules and are running a series on American racer slicks

I love Citrus , I spent many years there and lots of hard earned money. I am in no position to change my car for them. I run a steering quickner and a 16 to 1 box which equals 10.5 to 1 final ratio. A 10 to 1 Box is dam near $1400

Does anyone on here think that a quickner is a performance advantage ?