Rules are for normal people rich folks get the pass each and every week HANDS DOWN!!!
MONEY makes that world go round even in racing. It is a shame what the promoters of NSS and OSW will say out one side of their mouths and then the very next week do a about face on the very subject…
Once you’ve lost validity with your racers you’ve lost it forever…
They will wreck racing in Florida hands down…
Ignorance is bliss for the chosen few…
waaaaa
some of your points were good . i agree that having don and sandy gone from fascar would be a good thing [ i have never been a big nerone fan]
since don has ruined what is it now 3/4 tracks and how many tours?
maybe sandy can answer that! osw does need an overhaul…the fire has left alot of peoples hearts…CAN’T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG…lol and the concession guy has a rather large investment at osw of course he is going to promote
Does Auburndale still have the rumble strips in the middle of the groove?
Ron says if you’re on rumble strips you’re WAY off the groove. the general track surface seems to be fairly smooth. i don’t know, i haven’t run there yet.
and don’t make decisions for NSS.
the question isn’t whether or not you make decisions for NSS Sandy, and you know that very well.
the question is whether or not FASCAR tours are going to honor suspensions made in one touring class ( the Pro-Trucks ) in their other touring classes ( the Goodyear Challenge just as a fer instance ). as per your own rule book.
here’s the relevant section from the Truck series rules:
“SUSPENSIONS OR PENALTIES INCLUDE BOTHE DRIVER AND THE CAR. IF YOU ARE SUSPENDED FROM ONE (1) RACE TRACK OR FASCAR TOUR FOR ANY INFRACTION, THE SAME SUSPENSION OR PENALTY WILL APPLY TO THE OTHER TWO (2) TRACKS AND TOURS.”
and the Goodyear Challenge rulebook reads the same. with the same typo mind you.
yeah, Jessica is also supposed to be suspended from NSS and OSW for whatever the length of her penalty is but you guys in FASCAR Tours are the ones making the penalty and variance calls.
i know damn sure Rusty and Terry don’t have the ability to over rule you where a Tour race is concerned. and once the Murphy’s have been told to come on ahead by any FASCAR official it would be damn sh###y if one the promoters unilateraly took it upon themselves to enforce the rule book and turned the hauler away at the gate.
( scratches head, “darn, that sounds familiar but i just can’t place it” )
did you personally make this variance ruling? probably not. but somebody up there at FASCAR [SIZE=“4”]Tours[/SIZE] knows exactly whats going on.
Todd,
So what you are getting at is everyone is real fast to make decisions and be in charge, but when the racers want answers, all of the same “officials” throw their hands up in the air and say “not my decision! talk to so-and-so!” and pass the buck down the line like a hot potato…
Is it fair to say
This is a dead horse!
I am new on this board, but have been following certain subjects.
Not knowing all the people involved on this issue I can see where it may just be a dead end street. It appears the young lady got to race and you can’t change the past. If it was a screw up or done on purpose - IT WAS DONE.
Perhaps it was one of the “Favorite Deals”, who knows? But my money is on the fact no one will ever know.
Just my 2 cents from So. Ga
Is it fair to say
This is a dead horse!
I am new on this board, but have been following certain subjects.
Not knowing all the people involved on this issue I can see where it may just be a dead end street. It appears the young lady got to race and you can’t change the past. If it was a screw up or done on purpose - IT WAS DONE.
Perhaps it was one of the “Favorite Deals”, who knows? But my money is on the fact no one will ever know.
Just my 2 cents from So. Ga
Well since you are in Florida and Orlando is in the picture It must be:
Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck because this Post sure reads like Goofy is the main speaker.
Do you need a touring series, NO not for the same cars the local tracks are trying to work with.
OLD DAYS worked people: Touring where the sprints and midgets. Tracks worked together to have a special race a couple of times a year.
There where MORE tracks because the drivers and owners Supported the local tack so they could race.
The killers of the racing IMHO where Ted Johnson, Glenn Donnelly because THEY made money by TOURING and Writing rules (DIRT) now the whole local scene is going down hill because the BUTTS in the seats want , well they do not know but whatever the local track puts on is not it in their eyes.
Round d round,
sorry bud, subject isnt dead just yet. Too many people would like SOME kind on answer why there are double standards.
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Ron says if you’re on rumble strips you’re WAY off the groove. the general track surface seems to be fairly smooth. i don’t know, i haven’t run there yet.
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I just remember hitting them in a legends car. There was just enough room around the bottom to get a legends car in between the bottom of the track and the rumble strip. If you tried to go 2 wide it was over for the car on the outside. It was like hitting the rhythm section of a motorcross track.
Sorry Edn
Didn’t mean to put a spur in your saddle.
I just asked if it was fair to ask if it was a dead horse. I guess I will just see if you get your answer or not (sure hope you do), but again (Just MHO) it ain’t gonna happen.
I’ve been round a while, and I hate it when something like that happens and no one has the answer.
Oh, not your Bud/Bub or whatever - either.
Have a great day! Let everyone know when you get your answer(s)
Round d round,
No spur bud, just posting my opinion.
Round D’ Round,
Thats what all of the local racers are irritated about - there wont be an answer. Its not about “one” particular incident. This confusion and lack of communication is what the Florida scene is all about and everyone knows it. The local racers are just begining to be more vocal about it, only because they want to improve the racing and not let it die a slow painful death as it has been. Not to be negative, and not to drag politics into this, but its much like the financial situation in this country - (most) people can see the problem, a few have decent ideas on how to fix it, and those with the power to fix it never will because it doesnt effect them.
huh?
( this post is to pinto …i think it was he who said the track owners dont care. or it wont affect them… i cant find it now…)
how can it not affect them? it is their livelihood. not all of whats happening is the track owners faults…
i may be wrong about some things but i really dont think the owners dont care… it may seem that way but i think they are desperately seeking ways to survive. i think out of desperation some of them are making mistakes but if they fail we can either go to another track or find another sport. they will lose their life long dreams, maybe their homes, and alot more. i think sometimes we are very hard on them and it turns them… no one WANTS to fail…
carolwicks aka OZ
I do want to make a comment about promoters and their bad attitudes and unwillingness to help racers save money.
I have had promoters/ tell me that racers need them more than they need us. False statement. None of us are making a living racing. This is a hobby for me. Once the fun is gone I call it quits. Promoters are quickly taking the fun out of racing. I can find another hobby I enjoy, I have plenty. Racers quit the promoters/owners are out of business or out of a job.
Who hurts more? I will probably save more money than I ever thought possible if racing died. Probably would not be a bad thing.
and that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is why it’s so important for tracks to start operating in a professional manner as well as a friendly one. this is the reason why Jim Flynn / www.itsahoot.com quit this year. and he’s not coming back.
i don’t know how bad the economy is going to get but i think i was the first one on here to point out that this year was guaranteed to be worse than '07 back in the winter. this is yet another reason why racers find it so easy to stay home.
Is it fair to say
This is a dead horse!
yes and no.
do i think that i’m going to change the minds of the people who pull the trigger on things like this in the first place? no.
is there a possibility that someone further up the chain of command can get shaken out of their complacency into making a decision or finding someone competent to run things? maybe.
but if something isn’t done there’s a good possibility we’ll all be sitting at home because a bunch more tracks have been shut down.
i already have a minimum one hour and fifteen minute drive to get to the closest race. i don’t need to be towing three hours one way to put a car on the track.
Cash Cows, Crash Dummies and Adrenaline Junkies
Agreed - “some kind of response from the FASCAR B.O.S.S is expected” (not from Rusty Marcus). If not consider it short sighted on their part.
Why are they hiding from this and not making a statement to the racers?
Because maybe, just maybe if they hide from the real issues and ignore the problem long enough people will just forget.
Don’t let this one go, or let FASCAR (mis)-Management of the hook this time if you want any respect in the future.
Even the big 800 pound gorilla (NASCAR) would make some kind of a BS statement. ?Under the circumstance?bla…bla…bla?this will not…bla…bla…bla be tolerated and bla…bla…Bla.?
I am not surprised that ovalracer44 said ?promoters/ tell me that racers need them more than they need us.? This IS their perception. It can be changed by the racers through an “attitude adjustment.”
Racers and car owners are just treated like crap because they are looked at as cash cows, crash dummies and adrenaline junkies that will just keep coming back for more. The racers are the “show” and the ?paying customer" and should be treated as such. Any business person would know this. Car counts (back gate) are way down, Weekly fans in the stands (front gate) counts are ridiculously low. This is how tracks fail to profit or even stay open, we have seen it time and again.
At minimum there needs to be some mutual respect between FASCAR and its racer teams.
Going forward from today if the racers don?t demand it this time in this case the racers are the big loosers and FASCAR (or any other sanctioning body you race with) will fail. Stay home (or if you can?t help yourself race somewhere else) for a couple of weeks and see what happens.
NOW??.FASCAR needs to respond to their not upholding the rules that are written and be consistent in enforcing them. Specifically, in this case as it pertains to the suspension of Jessica Murphy.
BTW?..does anyone out there know of another sport where the teams or competitors PAY the VENUE to ENTERTAIN the PAYING FANS as they do in auto-racing ???
IMHO, I ain?t so sure this horse is dead yet?..there is fresh manure in your pit stall (that we “dung boat” at the back gate):
If we all stop paying for it there will be a sign out front like this…
![horse_manure[1].JPG](https://forum.realracinusa.com/uploads/default/original/1X/628bf346dc0d44f4ea2181cc11a6d8efc6303422.jpeg)
Here is how you fix this.
Everyone get to the track. Let the fans pile in, all 250 of them, after driver meeting before racing is supposed to start everyone load cars on trailers and leave. Let the track try to figure out how to deal with the problem. Listen to the tune start to change.
With the cost of racing these days there is only so much crap someone will put up with before they quit. And as the costs go up less can afford to start racing so there is no one to replace those that quit.
Carol,
I understand your point. Take Ocala Speedway for example. Years of shoddy promotership, owners going under, etc…
Mike Peters buys it and has to make it work, he runs it like a business. It is his business. I dont personally know Mike that well, but we had a great time racing there last year. Payouts were good (literally making more money finishing 5th there than for a win at NSS), lots of cars in the pits, lots of people in the stands. Rules were rules, from what I saw they were enforced to the best of their ability. I didnt want to see it go to dirt, but Mike knew what he was doing obviously, and is getting even more cars than last year. He manages and promotes the track like a business. The happier his “customers” are, the more money he makes. Customers being fans AND racers.
Again, I am not trying to fingerpoint, or make examples, but the fact remains that there are tracks with owners and/or promoters that dont pay their mortgage based off the success of one track. Smart for them, diversity in your investments/cash flow is the way to go. Unfortunately I think this might lead to a “ho-hum who cares lets get our few bucks at the back gate” attitude and not try to make the track the best it can be.
Pinto
Damn Man… For shame… You mean actually pay the drivers enough to get them there, let them eat, pay for their gas, and one adult beverage after the race…
Jeepers man I don’t know what would happen…
ROFLMAO
The Original Question
“But who is actually in charge of the Fascar sanctioning body?”