Maybe they didn’t want to pull the engine because maybe there was something there that was not right when exposed. Hummmm.
something else just got exposed as well .
Where is the unfair advantage? Let me see Ill fix them I ll take out my 600+ hp super spec put in a 500hp limited motor that is a wet sump motor and sits up 2 inches higher ( that sure helps handling) then we will add lead so we weigh the same as those fools running those lower more powerful cars. Then I ll wait in second place most of the race until the leader who’s motor is so big it tears up the rear end on the last lap. Wow what a plan.
One more thing. Who the hell cares what motor anyone runs when the spec motor that is allowed is more than you need.
Fair Or Unfair ??? They Should Have Pulled The Motor !
Now We The People Will Never Know ???
Racing At That Disadvantage With A Wet Sump ( How Long Would It Take To Pull That Motor )
Just Asking Thank You
[QUOTE=Vail716;87601]Where is the unfair advantage? Let me see Ill fix them I ll take out my 600+ hp super spec put in a 500hp limited motor that is a wet sump motor and sits up 2 inches higher ( that sure helps handling) then we will add lead so we weigh the same as those fools running those lower more powerful cars. Then I ll wait in second place most of the race until the leader who’s motor is so big it tears up the rear end on the last lap. Wow what a plan.[/QUOTE] What does any of this have to do with playing by the rules? Rules are rules and they didn’t want to play by them so they got DQ’ed. Plain and simple!
If YOU were already disqualified for having the wrong seals, (because that was an unwritten rule for this race not the FUP). Would YOU pull your motor? I think not…You load your car back up and it to a track where it is legal and never look back which they did. Per the FUP series rules at the time of this race, there were NO approved “Florida SPEC motor” builders listed. Was Auburndale the only racetrack in the state of FL ignorant to the Koury motors?
Are we to believe Steve from Progressive called Tom to tell him he wasn’t legal at Auburndale and didn’t call Rex and inform him of the warning call he made to Tom? For those of you that “were there”. When Rex arrived in the tech area did he hesitate to have the seals checked on the 77? Not from what I “have heard” from several sources.
It’s alot more fun to think the motor was changed between Sunday morning and Tuesday morning. I have my own opinion of what happened.
All in all the finish is what it is. It is apparent to me this could have easily been handled prior to the beginning of the race. I lost alot of respect for some people I thought highly of in this. I hope this opens the eyes of the people that want to “control” this sport. Racing politics should NEVER effect the outcome of a race.
If YOU were already disqualified for having the wrong seals, (because that was an unwritten rule for this race right?). Would YOU pull your motor? I think not…You load your car back up and take to a track where it is legal and never look back which they did. Per the FUP series rules at the time of this race, there were NO approved “Florida SPEC motor” builders listed.
Are we to believe Steve from Progressive called Tom to tell him he wasn’t legal at Auburndale and didn’t call Rex and inform him of the warning call he made to Tom? For those of you that “were there”. When Rex arrived in the tech area did he hesitate to have the seals checked on the 77? Not from what I “have heard” from several sources.
It’s alot more fun to think the motor was changed between Sunday morning and Tuesday morning. I have my own opinion of what happened.
All in all the finish is what it is. It is apparent to me this could have easily been handled prior to the beginning of the race. I lost alot of respect for some people I thought highly of in this. I hope this opens the eyes of the people that want to “control” this sport. Racing politics should NEVER effect the outcome of a race.
How is brining less than the maximum allowed cheating anyone. At that track it’s not about having the most motor. As far as seals go, please It’s a super late model race, all that does is cost the racer that can work on their own car more money or run less than the maximum allowed. The rules are what needs changing. This was the only excitement in the whole race. Open it up a little and It might bring back a little excitement into it for the racers and the fans.
no motor rule 8" treaded tires then see who can set up a car and drive.
oops I forgot you’all think your nascar.
[QUOTE=JUST-IN-TIME;87629]no motor rule 8" treaded tires then see who can set up a car and drive.
oops I forgot you’all think your nascar.[/QUOTE]
LOL you think you need 8" treaded tires to prove what has already been proven in FL…are you related to an engine builder???..Biggest argument the last two weeks is because a driver chose an 11k 500hp motor over a 19k 600hp motor and won on 10" slicks…we already “see who can set up a car and drive”…and there’s 20 more like’em here capable of the same results…
If your loosing now…you’ll be losing on 8" treaded tires…quit making excuses
BEATING a DEAD HORSE!
If things could just start over. Than the track could get back to keeping open and the boys could try to not go broke. I think this is the problem we all need to address. The Track ownship Business is a very hard Business. They all need your support. Wayne and Tom both LOVE RACING. So lets start over and everone just may just keep our SPORT ALIVE!
spec motors
The answer is simple:
NO spec motors!
For the racer:
Follow the rules at whatever track you are running. Speak up if you think they are unfair, but do NOT revolt. Remember, they need your income and the income of fans coming in to survive. You are there to excite the fans and help the track make a living. Remember, ci=hp and handling is even better. A better driver can overcome a lot. Wouldn’t you rather win legally and feel really good than to cheat for a hollow victory?
For the tracks:
Drop the spec motor rules, then it doesn’t matter if it is sealed or not. Pull it if it is legally challenged or a part of your inspection. Tear it down and check it. Suggest all tracks adopt a universal rule book so the racers can go where they are treated fairly. No, you won’t get a full field every night, but the racers will come back if they believe it is fair for all. Require the ci and/or weight on the hood and cause the bigger ci to have more weight.
Other:
It does not help with this type of bickering. A good fight on the straight-a-way will bring more fans. A good fight in the pitts brings nothing. Sad thought!
It’s a little more complicated than that, but I definately agree with the concept!
starting over?
What do you mean by this statement? We are addressing it in here. And have been for years. That’s what’s wrong. NOTHING changes.
Neither Rex nor John listen to anyones ideas. They will do just as they damn well please.
Addressing it?
Rick, please remember this is just talk, all of it. So if I don’t agree 100% please don’t get upset o’k? I believe you now more about it than I do but feel I’m entitled to my opinion, right? This has all been very interesting talk but instead of constructive discussion my feeling is its been more owners and fans bashing track owners, and track owners reacting to it. I know this is just my feeling and everyone is entitled to disagree with me. Personally I do not know Rex and met John once, which i know it makes some people mad, but John treated us first class. I also understand his doing anything he can to avoid what he sees as a possible threat of a law suit. Note: I didn’t say a law suit, I said Possible Threat of a law suit. I’m a business man too and if I found out a customer of mine brought a law suit against their former company I would be very reluctant to renew his contract the following yr. Why? Because the courts are inclined to rule AGAINST a business. If anything has been learned by this, it should be work on the rules and clarify them, I mean what if an engine builder someone has used for yrs and trusts are not on the “List”? What qualifies a builder and who makes the decision which ones are approved? By not being approved does that mean no-one else is good enough, or just that an approved builder has to approve the engine someone else built? I won’t say here wether I think that engine would be approved. Just questions, is all. Also it seems pre-tech is not a guarantee of approval, they’re only there a few mins. I think pre-tech should be looked at more of a service to the owners so if they find anything obvious you may have a chance to correct it before the race, or MAY have time, at least you got the chance, but not a guarantee everything is o’k. Most things wrong the teams know about ahead of time, they’re just pushing the envelope, they have to. I bet anything the seals will be right from now on. So yes I agree with Bobby this time, everyone should of learned, the track owners AND car owners, and it has been educational and interesting to us fans. Although I’ve asked 2-3 times “were the seals legal or not”? I can’t get it from either thread. From what little I understand, I think everyone SHOULD go back to start, allow Anderson back and everyone maybe sign a paper acknowledging while Pre Tech will do the best they have time to do, it is NOT a guarantee you will will pass post race inspection, or maybe just forget pre-tech, and tech every car after the race, after all if # 8 car is wrong that hurts #9 on back right? just my thoughts.
Trust me
[QUOTE=Rick Williamson;87692]What do you mean by this statement? We are addressing it in here. And have been for years. That’s what’s wrong. NOTHING changes.
Neither Rex nor John listen to anyones ideas. They will do just as they damn well please.[/QUOTE]
Many owners are not listening!! But some are as the doors close.
Listening
Many owners listen to what is happening (cars and tracks) out there. It takes time for changes to happen on either side(and money).
There are maybe 100 car owners out there in the state that can supply all their race teams need and want. You see them come to the track with the 450K rigs. There are about 6-7 times that many that make decisions on what they can do next and it is based on availeable funds(or not). Mostly, they only buy what they really have to have. You see them come in on a trailer that JUST gets the job done.
Key is, it is that latter group that satisfies and helps the track owners more than the former.
Not to shun either group or the people in between.
I love it when an underdog wins a race because of hard work and perseverance as most do.