when you won last week did they tech your car (total weight or left side %)?
We should look at 6 cylinder engines too. Add a weight penalty and run a 6.
you’re an evil, evil man. :grinser010:
Not evil, just practical. It is a way to take some money out of the engines that mini stocks run. The fact is 6 cylinder engines are plentiful and inexpensive compared to 30 year old 2300 CC Fords.
Structure the rules so that some fabrication is allowed to convert a FWD engine to RWD. Or just run a FWD; its fine with me. I think we all agree that racing is better when everyone runs different stuff.
As much as I like modified mini stocks, I am no longer very positive about their future. High dollar, 4 Cyl. LM look-alikes will be the end of the class IMHO. I suggest a different direction anchored around stock-based, modern engines with minimal modifications.
BTW I have no problem with tube frame cars. I prefer them, they are easier to fix in general.
I Don’t Believe It…
:ohmy:I can’t believe I just read and entire thread with three different opinions and there was absolutely no name calling, finger pointing, track bashing, etc…
And some thought it was impossible…
What a great thread… well thought out opinions… respectable arguments… hell even Boneman had some non-sarcastic posts and not even one photoshop’d picture…
I have seen the light…
I have no problem racing against tube chassis cars. Its that it makes it more intimidating for newcomers to want to build a ministock to run with us. My car its self is a stock chassis. Although the way we build them makes them as easy to repair as a tube car, and handle just as good.
I guess all divisions are struggling all across the country. Not just ministocks. Although the v8 stock divisions are having higher counts, and those big monte carlos and novas are even harder to find than a mustang.
I think part of the problem with ministocks is the unreliability of the engines. At 7600 rpm they are pretty reliable. But we learned several years ago those who turn high rpms and still make the horsepower tend to win. Thats why I said I like my engines to turn 8400-8500. Once you start getting into those rpm ranges reliability goes out the window. When you start looking at by the rules a $2,800 bottom end is legal, not too many are going to put up with that.
Like I said I dont know the sure fire answer to fix the class. I do know however that it is broken.
Oh yeah and to answer a question further up. They did not tech me the second race. it was after midnight and they were trying to get everyone out.
there use to be a ruer that added 200 lbs to a tube frame car but it was never enforced. is that rule still around?
Nope, you get a 50 lb weight break for having a stock chassis. its 2250 weight for a tube car with the 2.3. 2200 for a stock chassis with the 2.3
its 2250 weight for a tube car with the 2.3. 2200 for a stock chassis with the 2.3
2250 for a tube car? is that weight for orlando? it was 2300 back when i ran
Its on the fascar rules. Ive picked them apart
Just to clarify a few misconceptions, Our motors do not cost anywhere close to $10,000. As far as the motor rules being out of hand, these engines have stock block, stock crank, flat top three ring pistons, stock heads (no porting or polishing), stock size valves, stock intake, and a 500 CFM carb. However, we do buy our engines complete carb to pan, and they are very reliable. I think this is cheaper than building multiple hand grenades at home.
Also, please do not insult the integrity of our tube framed cars by comparing them to stock chassis cars that run the 15.6 to 15.8 lap time that was referred to. I personally have qualified our race car at a 15.009 at Orlando Speedworld (first Mini Stock Challenge race of the year). If there are any questions, please contact me, Jared Allison.
P.S.
If they offered a purse for the Winter Series, we would be there.
[I]Just to clarify a few misconceptions, Our motors do not cost anywhere close to $10,000. As far as the motor rules being out of hand, these engines have stock block, stock crank, flat top three ring pistons, stock heads (no porting or polishing), stock size valves, stock intake, and a 500 CFM carb. However, we do buy our engines complete carb to pan, and they are very reliable. I think this is cheaper than building multiple hand grenades at home.
Also, please do not insult the integrity of our tube framed cars by comparing them to stock chassis cars that run the 15.6 to 15.8 lap time that was referred to. I personally have qualified our race car at a 15.009 at Orlando Speedworld (first Mini Stock Challenge race of the year). If there are any questions, please contact me, Jared Allison.[/I]
yah yah yah, were not insulting your tube frame four cylinder late models. but it is true that before the tube frame cars the car count was much higher
Thanks KARNAC
for deleting my post
WE dont mind racing with them either
Also, please do not insult the integrity of our tube framed cars by comparing them to stock chassis cars that run the 15.6 to 15.8 lap time that was referred to. I personally have qualified our race car at a 15.009 at Orlando Speedworld (first Mini Stock Challenge race of the year). If there are any questions, please contact me, Jared Allison.
OK whatever, were all in the same class so I will compare them
DONT MEAN TO OFFEND YOU
The car count is low because orlando still pays the same as it did 15years ago! maybe if they pay more there would be more cars a step 2 pay more would be having the racetrack sell the tires not don.
We have a winner!
It took an incredible 31 replies before someone slammed the track. This has to be a new world record!
I’m am curious how stopping Don from selling tires will benefit the track. Care to 'splain?
because don gets the money for the tires not the track if the track sold the tires the track would get the money!
the last SCCA race i entered there were over 250 entries, it costs $150 to enter and pays nothing to win
BTW no they are not all a bunch of RICH guys with race cars.
Jared is correct!! There are a few cars(drivers) that can wheel a stock floor panned car around OSW and many other tracks. There alot more tube cars than there used to be in order to keep up with the front runners, not everyone can afford to build a tube car. In my opinion it is better and to build one than to mess around with a stock floor pan car. The FMSC is in dire need of some fixing up since Todd Hutto left, I’m not saying a bad word about Scott or Jackie, they are doing a great job. The costs of getting to a race track is very high, One of many reasons alot of regulars were only there a hand full of times.
Mark41
[QUOTE=LM18;2612]Just to clarify a few misconceptions, Our motors do not cost anywhere close to $10,000. As far as the motor rules being out of hand, these engines have stock block, stock crank, flat top three ring pistons, stock heads (no porting or polishing), stock size valves, stock intake, and a 500 CFM carb. However, we do buy our engines complete carb to pan, and they are very reliable. I think this is cheaper than building multiple hand grenades at home.
Also, please do not insult the integrity of our tube framed cars by comparing them to stock chassis cars that run the 15.6 to 15.8 lap time that was referred to. I personally have qualified our race car at a 15.009 at Orlando Speedworld (first Mini Stock Challenge race of the year). If there are any questions, please contact me, Jared Allison.
P.S.
If they offered a purse for the Winter Series, we would be there.[/QUOTE]
Im not going to take the bait to get into that argument. Im not close to dumb and have first hand seen the problems in this division. You do realize $800 rods, $500 pistons and $800 flywheel and clutch and pressure plate systems are allowed? Thats 2,100 before you get into blocks, cranks, heads, carbs and oil pans.
What has killed this class is people with money talking the tech men into passing these exorbitant rules, saying people will save money.
“Aftermarket rods save people money because the motors dont explode.”
Heard that story before. stock 5.2 rods will turn 8,300 all day long. They also cost 200 from racer walsh with ARP bolts and are bushed and reworked. That is what saves a racer money. Not $800 5.930 Ultralight rods, and $500 ultralight metric pistons.
Oh yeah a $800 Flywheel, clutch and pressure plate system really saves a lot of money too. Ha