Evolution of the (Super) Late Model body

So on the other thread (the “cheated-up” thread), it was mentioned on how lax the body rules had gotten with the SLM’s over the years before the advent of the ABC type body (or whatever it is/was called). I was thinking about how the (Super) Late Model body had evolved into today’s racer from the early to mid '70s, and how there’s not really much variety. What I see today is, basically a 2000-2006 style Monte Carlo type body, but it may have Ford Fusion, Dodge Charger, or, heaven forbid, Toyota headlight and taillight decals on it.

Now, years ago, I can remember that most tracks had rules that the motor had to match the body manufacturer, which meant if you ran a Ford body, you had a Ford motor in it; ran a Dodge, a Dodge engine, so on and so forth. I bet you’ll be hard-pressed to find either one today in a short track Late Model car, let alone a Toyota V8 in a Camry-bodied Late Model.

The other thing is…looking at just the body styles…all I had to do was go and look at the cars we ran over the years to see where we’ve gotten to at this point, just with the bodies.

So…here we go!

1973 - Golden Gate Speedway, Tampa: Freddy Fryar, Bobby Brack, and Randy Tissot in pretty much stock-bodied Chevy Chevelles (Brack and Tissot in 1965-bodied cars, Fryar is in a '69). I bet at least one of these cars has a big block in it, too. Steel and chromed bumpers, grille, and headlight bezels still on the stock front end. No spoilers.

1977 - Golden Gate Speedway, Tampa: Dave Scarborough in our car. '73 Camaro, all steel body (except for nosepiece). (Photo courtesy of Dave Westerman’s site, Florida Stock Car History). Front and rear fenders radiused quite a bit, but still a pretty much stock-bodied car. Still recognizable as a Camaro, and still has a stock front bumper on it (although it’s been drilled for weight).

1978 - Hialeah Speedway, Hialeah: Don Denney in our car, this time with a little more rake to the body. A little more plastic involved, with the nosepiece and the rear spoiler. Front fenders are bubbled up a little bit, most of the body stays the same. Got more of a lower front spoiler on it this time. (Photo courtesy of Bruce Griffin’s site, Florida Stock Car Memories)

1979 - DeSoto Memorial Speedway, Bradenton: Jimmy Cope’s very first Late Model ride, was in our car this year. Since Tampa had closed, we went to Bradenton on Friday nights and St. Pete on Saturdays. This is/was the same car as above, still pretty much stock-bodied.

1980 - DeSoto Memorial Speedway, Bradenton: This time, it’s Billy Gill in our car (Bobby’s dad). Our first “fabricated” body, mostly fiberglass from Howe (I believe). Aluminum front fenders. Same chassis as the previous cars, just with our first “built” body on it.

1981 - Golden Gate Speedway, Tampa: Golden Gate reopened in '81, and we put Jim Childers in the car. Same car as before, with another new body for the new season. If I remember correctly, we won the first night out in Tampa, then on the very next night over at St. Pete, this car ended up on its roof.

1981 - Golden Gate Speedway, Tampa: Later in the season, we bought our first “fabricated” chassis - a new Dillon car from Reutimann Racing. The body is starting to get a little, uh, “wild” here; wrap-around front windshield, and the side dams on the rear spoiler.

For the Governor’s Cup, two cars stood out in my mind as very different: Bobby Alexander’s V6-powered Cavalier-bodied Dillon car, and Ed Howe’s “new” 1982 Firebird-bodied machine. Alexander’s car was going to be the “next big thing” with Detroit going to V6’s in their street cars, and the V6 was supposed to save short track racing in the '80s. Howe’s car…man, I thought that thing was some type of Ferrari-bodied car, because in November of '81, I was 11, and had no idea what a 1982 Firebird looked like at the time…LOL…

I bet Howe’s car here changed the face of Late Model bodies in the '80s, because wait’ll you see what came next!

1982 - DeSoto Memorial Speedway, Bradenton, FL: Junior Hanley sends not one, but two of these creations down to Florida. Hanley was known for some pretty wild stuff before, but these two were just bad-a$$. Piloted by Gary Balough and Butch Lindley, I don’t remember how well they did that day.

Dick Anderson interpreted the rules just a bit differently, too:

The cars we were running at Tampa and St. Pete, according to the rules, weren’t quite as wild as the two previous cars. Dave Scarborough shows off his InterBay Marine/Reutimann Racing machine:

1983 - Sunshine Speedway, St. Pete: Jim Childers pilots our car. The body is all aluminum except for the hood, roof, and nosepiece. Got a wild rear spoiler with side dams on it.

1984: Citrus County Speedway, Inverness: the body has returned to mostly fiberglass, with the intent on running some All-Pro races (if I recall correctly) by removing the rear spoiler and side dams, and a new nose.

1985 - Sunshine Speedway, St. Pete: By this time, we had gone full-blown wedge car. All aluminum body (except for the hood and nose); spoilers all over the place. Easiest body in the world to fix. Just take off the bent panel, rubber-hammer it back flat, slap it back on the car. $250 bought 8 sheets of aluminum and the plastic for the nose.

Around this time, there were some events with “unlimited” rules, as far as what you could do to the body. This resulted in creations like this:

1986: Sunshine Speedway, St. Pete: full outlaw type wedge car - my favorite race car out of all the ones we ran. Just sheet aluminum, and a piece of lexan for the roof.

Wish I could find pictures of 'em, but around this time, Larry Moyer and Dave Pletcher were running two team cars with clear- or smoke-tinted Lexan bodies.

Some tracks were trying to go back to an “All-Pro” or “All-American Challenge Series” type body rule: more “stock appearing” by giving a weight break. We ran with Donnie Strickland’s All-Pro team in '86 and '87:

Problem was, St. Pete (and the other tracks we were running) didn’t have the same body rules. Didn’t wanna change the whole body just to go run at another track. So we stuck with St. Pete through '87 and '88:

Then around '89 or so, it seemed like the body rules at all the tracks went to the same rules (Gasp!). Went back to a more “stock” type body.
1990 - DeSoto Speedway, Bradenton: Junior Purcell in our car.

Then came the Luminas, Regals (the '88 style), the Olds Cutlass. The Monte Carlos followed in the mid 1990s, and have been there just about ever since.

Not much variety, like I said originally. No REAL Fords or Dodges, or even “creativity” any more. Everyone wanted to “be more like NASCAR” when you could still tell a Monte Carlo apart from a Charger; now NASCAR has the generic body, and it seems like the short tracks are there, too.

<Sigh…> I miss the wedge cars. I miss the REAL Fords - powered by a Ford.

Let’s see where this thread goes…

Jimmy I think the first track to step up and run the outlaw body style cars will start seeing a bigger fan count. I don’t think it will ever happen around here. You have guys that can’t go to any other tracks. Plus you have a few that travel to the snow ball. Just think a 900.00 wedge body verses a 3000.00 abc body and then paying someone to hang it.

Awesome stuff Jimmy…I would like the florida tracks to allow the bodies from 82-89. That was INNOVATION which is what racing was all about back then…now it is called cheating…let racers do what they want and it won’t be called cheating.

Very cool stuff! I ran a limited late model at Saint Augustine Speedway when it was dirt, from 1993 to 1996. When they paved it in 1997, they allowed us to keep the dirt wedge bodies for the first year, no windshield, open tail , etc. We could run with and most times outrun the asphalt supers that showed up!

Here in Georgia, Lanier Speedway and Gresham Motorsports Park are running a division called “Outlaw Late Models”. Car counts have been fair, but steadily growing. Probably the only division on Georgia asphalt which has shown an increase over the past few years.
The cars look very cool!

Are they full-blown, all-out Late Model cars - tires, engine, chassis - or are they like down here, a Sportsman car with a wedge-car body (2bbl carb, 8" tires, steel heads, 3,000lb, etc.)?

Got any pictures?

evolution–

The evolution of race cars/classes isn’t anything new, it’s been ongoing forever, and will continue to be, hopefully. From the forward motion we have always seen the progression of; Sportsman, to Limited Lates, to Semi-Lates, to Late Models, to Super Lates, to Outlaw Lates, to the Unlimited Class/Run-What-You-Brung.

It usually is car-count building, always nice to see the creations from week-to-week, year-to-year…and the fan and car count builds. And then it’s a BIG night out to the races, can’t wait to go to the Raceways.

And then the usual out of control spending happens, the drop in participation of cars, the tightening of rules somewhat year after year, and to their ultimate demise… the Sportsman Division, where it all started in the beginning with.

They still run these wide-open bodies in the Midwest, Indiana, Ohio, and Michigan on a regular basis, with yearly tweaks to the rules to help those cars along so they can participate on a regular basis.

Jimmy, great post, one of the best ever on karnac.
Yes, they are more similiar to the Sportsman or a Pro Late Model. GM 602 or 603 w/4 barrel or GM 604 or 362 cid w/ 2 barrel. Regardless, they look good, sound good, run fast and very few people in the grandstands could care less if the engine costs $6000.00 or $40,000.00.
The more we separate ourselves from what happens on Sunday (Nascar), the better for Saturday night (us).

I agree with seminolewind, possibly the best post ever on karnac Jimmy, and a huge thank you. There are afew series up north running a wedge style body, not exactly what you and me are used to seeing but wedge cars none the less.

http://www.gllatemodels.com/

http://berlinraceway.com/

http://www.dixiemotorspeedway.com/component/content/article/31-super-late-model-news/419-2010-dixie-cup-triple-crown-series-outlaw-super-late-models-registration-is-open

I remember those jr hanley cars, he always pushed the rules, what there were of them back then. I can assure you, if a track were to ever go back to that style car you wouldn’t be able to find a place to sit or stand. Can you imagine what the cars would look like now! It could be a series, maybe run twice a month, good payouts, Jimmy ya got me dreamin, better hope I don’t ever hit the lotto or you just may see this happen!!

Check these out.

Yeah, I think most of us here knew/know about Randy Sweet’s car, but that particular car was built with one thing in mind - and it wasn’t to race against other cars, just the clock, to try and set a world record. Now, on the other hand, Hialeah had the gumption to put together a few races in about '84 - '86 time frame, to actually get a bunch of those cars together and race 'em. That one pic that I posted is Mike Borghi’s car down there at Hialeah; there’s a bunch more from the same race on that same site (you just have to go through the “Late Model” pictures to find 'em…).

Where I’m moving to up north, there’s still some tracks up that way that run them cars - and I won’t be too far from Sandusky where the Supermodifieds run :wink:

I just absolutely LOVED those wedge cars; ehhh, the current-style Late Models are a bit “racier-looking” than what they were ten year ago, but those wedge cars are just timeless - and BAD…A$$…FAST!!!

Look for this series Jimmy.
http://www.oscaar.ca/

Here’s a couple more. From what I understand Gresham Motorsports Park in Jefferson,Ga. runs an outlaw style car.
http://www.greshammotorsportspark.com/

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outlaws–

The first pic is the #5 of Larry Zent, at Fort Waynes’ Baer Field Speedway, Summer of 1985ish. If you look to your left, the tracks right, is me, up against the fence in the white sweatshirt.

[QUOTE=Jimmy McKinley;60010]Yeah, I think most of us here knew/know about Randy Sweet’s car, but that particular car was built with one thing in mind - and it wasn’t to race against other cars, just the clock, to try and set a world record. Now, on the other hand, Hialeah had the gumption to put together a few races in about '84 - '86 time frame, to actually get a bunch of those cars together and race 'em. That one pic that I posted is Mike Borghi’s car down there at Hialeah; there’s a bunch more from the same race on that same site (you just have to go through the “Late Model” pictures to find 'em…).

Where I’m moving to up north, there’s still some tracks up that way that run them cars - and I won’t be too far from Sandusky where the Supermodifieds run :wink:

I just absolutely LOVED those wedge cars; ehhh, the current-style Late Models are a bit “racier-looking” than what they were ten year ago, but those wedge cars are just timeless - and BAD…A$$…FAST!!![/QUOTE]

What’s the website Jimmy?

actually–

Look very closely the inside of the #5 car of Larry Zent…

inside in the drivers seat…is non other than Dale Earnhart, SR.

that was back when they were all barnstorming, on a wed or thurs night. Rusty Wallace, Dale, SR., Dick Trickle, Steve Christman, Randy Sweet, Joy Fair, Mike Eddy, Ed Howe, Rich Bickle, Bobby Blount, Bobby Allison, on and on.

mid-week programs in the midwest were not all that uncommon in 1980’ish time–

dale earnhart,sr. drove the zent house car that night.