design your best racing program

Ok, since Rusty’s thread has us dreaming about our favorite tracks, how about putting together your ideal racing show? Will it include antique sedans and bandoleros, or something much more interesting?

Try to keep things realistic. As much as I’d like to see Petty and Pearson recreate their Daytona 500 finish, or to play strip poker with Danica, try to put something together that could actually happen.

“I’ll show you mine if you show me yours.”

Run this at Speedworld, but have the figure 8 track widened and repaired.

Sprints - Politics aside, they are the fastest, most flashy and breath-taking cars in Florida. Best of all, their races are great because no pavement class passes as much as these drivers do.

Figure 8 - They are a consistent crowd-pleaser that continues to languish in Florida with no real organization or consistancy. Figure 8 is not about wrecking, its about missing by an inch. This is road racing with a very bad attitude, and I love to watch it.

Supermoto - Ever hear of it? This is motorcycle racing on a track that is part paved and part dirt. Use part of Orlando’s bando track, and dig out some corners in the infield dirt. Those racers would look like the photo below. I am not that much into bikes, but I know a good show when I see it.

Strictly Stocks/Bombers/Gladiators - Gotta have a class that makes the spectators want to become involved. If you want to race a vintage Monte Carlo, go ahead. BUT if you want to run a modern, EFI tuner with a twin cam, multi-valve modern engine, you have a place for that too. Strictly Stocks are a rockin’ class at OSW. Put cages in them and run this “enduro style” to cut down on yellows.

Also, cross-promote the Strictly Stocks with celebrity driver in one of the cars. Make sure the driver’s participation would generate good publicity for the track. The drivers could be the woman who does the weather on TV, a big-mouthed radio DJ, a local sports hero or even (gulp) a local politician.

If you need one more class, make sure it is something that looks interesting and puts on good races. OWM, Legends or Dwards can all fill this bill if there are enough of them.

Run heats and features (don’t split the field for the heats, yawn), and make sure the fast cars start toward the back.

A show like that just might win us some new fans.

Heats and fast cars to the rear is good racing. I know one thing, I’d much rather watch heats, even if they are short than to watch qualifing.

Here’s my ideas for what they’re worth. No Time Trials!!! Over 10 cars in a class run heats. Classes: Sprints (of course), OWM/figure 8 (on alternate weeks), and a mixed class governed (kept even) by weight/motor. Call them Gladiators, bombers, stock, or whatever. Now the twist. Pay them three (3) spots in the race, not 1,2,3, but to be determined by a draw AFTER the race. In order to win, they must be running at the finish. All races after the first night start in reverse order from the week before (all classes). New drivers start scratch. My guess would be, the lowest class would be the best. Get enough cars and the fans will come. Get a promoter like Rusty, a good tech, and keep things by the book. billy

1 Entry level division and 1 “Pro” division.
Heat races only, hopefully you have enough cars where heat races actually become a qualifying race for the feature.
2 1/2 to 3 hour show.

May I suggest the draw before the race and announced after the race. Tickets held by 2-3 fans.

Tuna, that would be better. As long as no one knows. Also, by running 3 classes, that leaves room for a touring series. billy

I liked it when.:ernaehrung004:

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Five divisions every week.

(Super) Late Models, Crates, PASS rules…make even with weight breaks/additions.

Open wheel Modifieds

Mini Stocks - and I mean stock, not these “mini Late Models”.

Strictly Stock/Bomber/Gladiator.

Bring in one “touring series” a week - TBARA, DAARA, Legends, whatever.

If there’s a fifth week, bring in the Figure 8s.

Heat races. Start the top point-getters in the back. If you miss two consecutive race weeks, not counting rainouts, start in the back. Do this for both the heats and the features for the regular divisions.

Three times a year - it’s a Sunday afternoon special: 4th of July weekend, Labor Day, and an end-of-the-year special. 200 laps for the Late Models, 75 or 100 for the Modifieds, 50 for the Minis, and 40 for the Strictly Stocks. Time trial the Late Models, and invert 10 plus a draw (or a roll of the die on the front stretch - seen this done up in Wisconsin). Everything else, invert by points.

Double points for the “midseason championship”.

A HUGE end-of-year special: 300 lapper for Late Models, and 100 laps for everything else. Have a “Tune Up” the night before at another track.

A true “Triple Crown” Late Model weekend: not this “one track every two months” crap. Run three different length events, with qualifying races, not time trials, at three totally different race tracks in the same weekend. Fri/Sat night, Sunday afternoon.

[B][I]I would go with 3 to 4 max classes. All very different look classes, no need for 5 classes of Late Model or 3 of steel body Monte Carlo.

Exemple

  • Main Event: Late Model or Sprint… Main event 35 laps.

-Support A: Modified(or something that looks dfferent than a late or sprint).

-Support B: Dwarf cars, Mini Sprint, Midget, something of that nature that is available in the area.

-Support C: Jalopies: Any cars, 4//6//8 cyl, claimable by track or competitors for 500$ as raced. If claimed by the track, the car is either crushed by a loader right there on track or burn to a crisp(entertainment for fans). I started that class at the speedway I worked at, it was a blast, and very very popular for both fans & racers.

And I agree with everybody here, no time trial, no way Jose.

And for starting position, one thing I have done in the past that was very easy and worked out pretty good, heats line up are made by inverting the point standing(race for points and small purse) and the feature line up is the last week feature result inverted. As easy as ABC. [/I][/B]

Latemodel
openwheels
street stock
Hobbystock
Purestock
modifided Minies
purestock minies
and start a new class of vw sandrails racing eachother. I think that would be cool seeing a lot of sandrails trying to race dirt track.

Pure Stock/Hobby Stock/Street Stock - all the same class. Don’t need three different classes of the same type of cars. Same with “modified minis” and “stock minis”. That many classes would REALLY drag out a show.

if it was forty years ago, the formula would be simple…

fastest to slowest, biggest purse to lesser purse:

8 cylinder Late Models - chevelle or 57 chevy frame, unlimited motor, quick change
6 cylinder Sportsmen - semi unibody rear drive American cars
8 cylinder Bombers - mostly stock American cars with safety hubs

Same show every week, heats, consi, feature for each class, except for two times a year there would be a big paying longer feature for one of the classes, where cars would come in from other tracks.

Problem is that Detroit doesn’t make those cars anymore.

Today, the problem is much tougher, as on the sruface there are no cars to work with that fans would be interest in, but I think the 3 class, same format every night, two big races per year per class is the way to go. So I will make up some classes based on the cars of today.

Fastest to slowest, biggest purse to lesser purse: All cars would all be based on cars you could buy in a new car showroom within the past 10 years.

Super drifters - I know nothing about drifting and how to assign points for drifting or if you would need to, so I don’t know how this would work. Class would have very few mechanical restrictions, and most importantly would allow any engine mods.

Sportsman drifters - cheaper way to get started, stock motor, chassis not stock.

Stock - small stock chassis family sedans with safety mods

No offense, but…drifting? Seriously? That’s almost as bad as watching paint dry (time trials). From what I’ve caught of it on TV, it’s two cars at a time, and the second car has to try and match the moves of the first car. Then they switch off. Then you have the single-car runs, which is based on time, style, and amount of smoke…

Someone, somewheres’, needs to come up with a formula for today’s “street car” to build into something of a full-out race car (Late Model type). Hate to say it, but yeah, the V-8, carbureted, rear-wheel-drive race cars could be/are on the way out. I know a few years ago, ISCARS played with their four-cylinder division (formerly known as the Goody’s Dash Series), going to Hondas, Mazdas, Nissans, etc. and fuel injection. Looking at their Web site (http://www.iscarsonline.com/), looks like they’re run by the ASA now, and are known as “America’s Premier Tuner ‘Stock Car’ Series”. These could be the “Late Model of the future”.

ok, here is my shot at this…

  1. I agree with most of you on the car selection thing

  2. The biggest change I would make is how the races are run

  3. Always invert the field. Either by points or last race. Fans came to see passing/racing!! Not follow the leader.

  4. Change the point system. Running a points championship for 36 races is CRAZY! Find some way to run “mini leagues” like they do for dart tournaments or softball leagues. Figure out a way to run an end of year championship playoff.

  5. Cross promote. Find a way to stage longer races for your different divisions at several tracks. Again some type of “mini series”. Or a 2 race event one at “your home track” the other at a “visitors track”. Build up a “HEALTHY” rivalry.

Looks like most of us are working on the track divisions (classes). What about spectators? I say keep the grandstand admission at about $10.00 for adults, $8.00 students and seniors, $5.00 kids 6-12, 6 and under free. Offer some sort of “family pass” for four or more. Offer a season/annual pass, with reserved seating. Pit-side, maybe $15-$20.00. Keep food prices reasonable, nothing over maybe $3-5.00, again with some sort of “family meal deal”. Have a GOOD souvenir selection - photo shop, T-shirts with track and drivers, a good printed track program, etc. Have a “Family” (non-alcohol) section in the grandstands, and not way down at one end of the track.

Have a pre-season mall show or two (before the cars get all tore up…LOL), along with driver and official appearances throughout the year. Good TV, radio, and local print ads. Put together some type of local racing show on the radio on either Thursday nights (before the weekend), or on Saturday mornings so fans can find out what/who’s racing where for the upcoming weekend.

Earlier someone posted having only two divisions. People want “more bang for the buck” (more entertainment value for the dollar). My opinion is what it is: about four divisions a week with one visiting series/tour every week. I can remember the days at Sunshine when they would run eight or nine divisions every week, fill the grandstands, fill the pits with over 200 cars (including well over 25 Late Models every week), $1,000 to win a 25-lap feature every week for the Late Models, and all at a 1/4 mile track that produced some outside lane passing. The track itself needs to be “race-friendly”: what I mean by that is wide, semi-banked or high-banked (a good 8-12 degrees is plenty), and not a paper clip where you have to park it in the corners.

Just some thoughts :wink:

Ok, this might be a little long but here goes, and yes, seeing as I lived in tampabay for 23 years and still own a house in Clearwater I qualify for this thread.

So we gotta use Orlando huh? No problem. First we’re gonna pave the entrance road from the front gate all the way to the pits, and we’re installing Musco Lighting.We’re gonna have some real food, not that watered down crap all these tracks have now. All that unused space on the backside of the pits just became pits, more gravel,concrete and plenty of Musco lights. There will be a separate walkway to pitside so the fans don’t have to contend with hauler traffic.

Pits are tight so we’re gonna park classes together, no more of that spread everywhere crap. We gonna race’em legal boys so get your $hit together,remember, I worked at three different engine shops and two different chassis/racecar shops in Florida, I know who’s cheating and how, I also know where to look for everything, and I do mean everything, so you late models, get those traction controls outta there before I confiscate’em!!. We gonna hire a few good tech guys,we’re also going to make it hurt if you get caught with something. We’re going to bring these cars back to a reasonable cost, from late models all the way down to bombers! Ok, on with my show.

Saturday night shows from March till November, then we switch to Sunday afternoons. I like Jimmys idea as far as cost to get in. Come early, fans only allowed in the pit area until the first practice is called, drivers, you need to accommodate the fans during this period, if you’ve ever been to Bowman Gray you’ll know what I’m talking about, and it works.
I’d like to have some kind of program like Stimus had at Desoto, get the fans involved, give away prizes each week, no, not diamond rings, cruises or new cars but something other than t-shirts and hats. I know we need a family section since we will be selling beer, but in my case we will have 2 bouncers on the premises to handle any problem people or kids, screw up and it’ll cost ya!!

Classes and races as follows:
Super Late Models, no watered down crap at my track, 1st and 3rd saturday of every month, 125 laps, $3500 to win, if more than 25 cars enter the purse increases all the way back thru the field. The car finishing last gets 4 new American Racers the next race. Thats right, American Racer( Mcreary) NO GOODYEARS!!! Remember, keep’em legal, I’ll be walking the pits with a stamp, if I stamp you, we go to teardown, I’ll give you gasket money if I tear ya down.
Three times a year, gotta work the schedule with the northern tracks, we will have the outlaw super late models from up north, we going to make it a $15000 to win show!

Sprintcars at Orlando are off the hook!! So we’ll look at having them once a month, I’d like to look at the Florida rules, silver crown and Extreem Sprints and compare them so we could draw a huge field. I want the baddest asphalt sprintcar show on the planet!!

Open wheels mods will run 100 lappers on the no-late model weeks, they get the same deal as the late models get for payouts, but here the clincher, I’m going to open the rules up as far as engines go but, you have to race it on pump gas, thats right boys, have at it but you gotta buy my 87 octane gas, we will check ya!!

We’ll have a 9 inch slick tire street stock class, 400 C.I. or less small blocks, all stock except, we will allow headers, none of those awful sounding damn manifolds and downfall pipes!! theses cars will lean more towards a sportsman,limited style car, aftermarket bodies allowed but keep’em looking like the car off the street. No ig cars anymore, no impalas or caprice, I want mid size street stocks, and lots of’em, so we’ll run 35 laps and pay’em $1200 to win, if this is a huge class, a month that has a 5th Saturday/Sunday we’ll give these guys free entry.

Our mini stocks will be a mod mini like Bradenton used to have, exception being my minis will be on methanol, what I’d really like to see is an outlaw style mini, with wings, lotsa lexan down the sides, wedge noses, BALLS OUT MINI MODS!!! Pay’em good because these little gems won’t be cheap to build. Say 30 laps and $1500 to win with a $10,000 race at years end.

Our Bombers will be more like what street stocks are now but they will be bone stock, small regular street tires, gotta keep these close to what everyone else has because New Years day we’re going to have a $50,000 bomber/enduro race

I’d really like to see a late model style truck back in Florida, not sure the interest is there, I remember those from several years back and they kicked a$$ the couple times I seen them.

Of course figure 8’s, I’d like to see a little more flash as far as looks for these cars so I’m thinking a little bonus in your pay window envelope if you maintain a decent looking car, and pay these guys, give’em $1000 to win, 30 laps, maybe have 2 big races for them during the year.

Here’s the rest. Book the USAC silver crown sprints and midgets, a USAR show, a UARA race, a PASS south race, a Whelen modified and late model race, maybe a K&N Pro Series east show throughout the year. Build a fun place for the familys and their kids, at least give them one place they can feel safe. Run it the right way, do what yiou promise, don’t bs the drivers, remember, we’re putting out a huge amount of cash here each week, we need drivers to attract fans, fans pay the bills, give’em good food, clean restrooms, a well lite parking lot, don’t rape’em at the gate. Give them a reason to want to come back next week, just not because it;s something to do but because it was fun, bang for the buck.

Take care of the racers, don’t stand up in the drivers meeting and act like your god because you wear an officials shirt. If you lay the rules down in black and white the first of the year, stay with those rules 365, if you need to make a change do it at the beginning of the next season. Be seen, shake hands, go talk to the drivers, be fair.

Also, 2 victories in a row draw bounties, remember those? After the 2nd consecutive win bounty goes to $500 per week until someone beats that person. Remember, if you take a driver out to collect on that bounty I will park him next to you the following week.

This is a start, overboard? I don’t think so, I would love to a program like this.

can’t top that one, but----------

a really clean bathroom for the ladies…us guys will do OK. always have.