OWM53 Good one!!!
Dd36 why don’t you race your modified at a track that allows slicks ?
you know the answer so why would you even ask that question?
BTW it’s 38!!!
Dd35 If I knew the answer why would I ask ? You could race at PG on slicks.
[QUOTE=Mike Bresnahan;75611]I like the idea of treaded tires. Hoosier makes a couple different compunds. I believe the tracks are using the softer compound right now. Instead of going to a slick I would first try the harder treaded compunds. Not being able to “hook it up” in my opinion is better than just not having enough power. There are some pretty neat restrictor plates and several other ways to kill some power. Only one way to get more. $$$$
If you go to slicks a few things are going to happen… First, the guys with big motors will be much faster than those without, and they will be buying new tires every night. Second, Your “take off” solution is easily beat. Guys will buy new tires, grind around the depth holes and scuff them in. Theres no way to consistantly police it.
In my opinion, harder tires slow down the front runners, and speed up the back runners creating closer competion and placing a premium on chassis and driver.[/QUOTE]
Thats not really true…when we went to the treaded tires at NSS it slowed everyone down equally. The guys who ran up front (Symons, Boyd, Tucker) all ran just as much up front as they did before the tire change. On top of that the tires wear out just as quickly as the slicks, faster in my opinion, and they cost just as much. For guys with reasonably big hp it also makes the car much harder to drive, 2400lbs / 600+hp / no tire = like driving on ice coming out of the turns. I could light up the tires anywhere on the straight away at any moment I felt like it. In my opinion it was more fun to drive on the slicks (more control, faster, etc) and the treaded have not helped anything as far as cost goes.
Its the same at the ( bull rings ) sideways very easily…Got so used to it may try dirt…lol
If the treaded tires are not doing what they were intended to do…save the racers money…then it should be a no brainer to go back to slicks and have better racing. Unless the tracks or tire guys are making more money on them becasue they are cheaper than slicks from Hoosier.
The biggest beef of the mid season tire change last year…at least for the sportsman…was that they changed the wheel size also. They went from
10" to 8" so everyone had to buy new wheels. If they change to slicks there will be no difference.
The only way to keep some guys from buying new tires every week is to limit them to one or two tires a week. FASCAR now has a barcode reader so this should be easy for them to do. I would bet that in the long run, for the track or tire guy, this would help sell more tires. If you can only buy one tire at $125, and be competitive every week, it is a little easier to swallow than $500.
As far as putting 10" slicks on the Big Mods, I don’t think it will be a safety issue. The sportsman ran stock stuff and weigh 3000 lbs compared to 2500. I would put a better hub on though. And like Don Nerone told us one night…“NASCAR ran the same stock stuff at Daytona”
No body has mentioned how the Super Stock guys like or dislike the treaded tires. Have they had the same issues?
Has anyone soaked the treaded tire ? We are watching the durometer readings and have found that we are wearing out the right side rubber before they get hard. The left sides don’t wear out but get hard after a few races. We might soak the lefts and buy new rights every other race. Any thoughts ?
I didn’t mean to imply that the front runners would no longer run upfront on hard tires. The cream will still rise to the top. I just said it will bring the field closer.
The argument “we’re buying tires anyway so we would rather buy slicks” is understandable. But I would be pushing for a tire that WILL last 3-4 weeks, regardless of the size or tread…
I know restrictor plates with inserts cost money, but if I’m a track owner I’m much more comfortable imposing that cost on a racer vs telling them they need to build a new motor if they want to run up front.
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didnt know the sportsman were on 10" slicks on fascar tracks…that must have been a big change going to 8" treaded…Our mods were already on 8" wheels so it wasnt so bad…I think the reason that the tracks that i race are reluctant to change is that they will not please everyone…some guys like the treaded tire…and the track alliance thing…But in my opinion the races at the bullrings have become a little more follow the leader with the treaded tire…slicks will bring back more side by side racing and open up the outside a little more…when you have two relativly fast cars the grooved tires make it harder to pass…and nobody wants to watch a single file start to finish race JMO
Yea, I soaked a set. Boy was that a mistake, turned them for two hours. Checked them after 8 laps and they punched 70, the tire was so hot you couldn’t lay other hand on it. I have one word for these tires JUNK! When you can spend five hundres dollars and pick up a half second thats not what is best for the class, if you have to send it each time you go to the track. I am in favor of changing to a different tire, I will let the powers at be figure it out, hopefully it will be a good one.
Mike B., From what i’ve heard these are the harder compound tires. Apparently it"s just not the Mod’s. It’s other classes that run this tire.
Dd38, Im 99 percent sure Citrus is on a softer compound treaded tire.
going from the 10 inch slick to the 8 inch treaded we slowed down almost 1 second which would have been fine if the tires would have lasted. like ted said soaking doesnt work on these tires
Citrus and Fascar are on the same Hoosier tire compound for there treaded tire, the 650. I know for a fact a 700 compound hoosier was tried on a Citrus modified, the 700 is the next harder compound. From what I heard the driver say, he said he couldn’t keep up with the other cars on the 650 tire and it made the car harder to drive. It is also my understanding that he only ran the tires one night and they never gave it a fighting chance. From what I understand there is an even harder compound the 750 that is also available in the 8" Hoosier. Yes the cars will be slower, “who cares” if you can’t draw cars because people can’t afford to put tires on every week, maybe making the tires last longer will help the car counts. I have made my point very clear that I would be a test dummy for a harder compound, and will work with the car to see how long they will last,and how much slower they will really make the cars. I wish we could find something that would not fall off soooooooooooooo much.
Citrus doesn’t have car count problems so I am not really talking about this for them.
I commend Fascar for raising the purses in all classes, and nothing would make me happier than to have 15 plus car’s in every Fascar class, I just think there have been a lot of things happen at the Fascar track’s that have pushed people to race at other tracks or just park the car and not race at all.
You can try to blame the economy, but look at the car count’s at Citrus, Punta Gorda, and Ocala. People will show if they feel they are going to get treated fairly and consistantly every time they show up to race.
So step up order in a set of 700’s, and a set of 750’s and lets figure out how to get people back to the track.
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Patrick, and others, it’s just not the lasting/repeating issue, it is the price too. They were to be cheaper/last longer and they are not. On the mods they still look good, but they quit working according to most everyone (were talking mods). If 700 and 750 is harder, then if the guys were on them in the mods, they are saying that cars are not drivable now with the 650 (one guy said some of those guys went from “weapons” to “lethal” now). This really started out as a Modified class issue. The mods are 500 pounds plus lighter than the sportsman. So they may work a little better on them because they have the weight to get some heat in them. And Rusty suggested the 10 in. tires as a way to make a visual and performance impact/difference to seperate the e-mods from the open engine mods The spectators can’t tell the difference now except by the lack of sound/rumble from the e-mods. As of now there is virtually no difference so they just as well go ahead and run them all together instead of 2 seperate classes if the tire is the GREAT EQUALIZER. The one guy that runs a e-mod just takes the 2 barrel off and puts a 4 barrel on and runs open engine night and wins. Because the open guys are slipping and sliding all over the place. Hell we had a hell of a time trying to get mine to halfwqay bite on the slicks (can we say detune the engine, a lot!). Go back to the beginning of the thread and see this was about making a visual/audible difference between the 2 classes. Just like when FASCAR went and created the “Outlaw Modifieds” a few years back. Open mods need to haul-ass/make noise. Not run and sound like a city cab cruising down Orange Ave.! And as you say “who cares” if the cars are slower. In my world of racing you want to go as fast as you can in the respected class you are in, weather it be a mod, strictly stock, 4 cylinder bomber or whatever class. Not go slower. Just think. IF, and that’s a BIG, BIG IF, the open mods just went back to at least the 8 in. slicks and the sportsman did too. you could buy more of my take-off’s! We would both benefit. By the way, when you have Ted Head saying they SUCK, that’s saying something. He’s all about equality and economy!
DD and patrick
You both make valid points…Patrick if you put a modified on any tire with less grip then we may as well run a sportsman motor or street stock motor…oh wait ( E mod ). I was there when Jeremy tested the tire cause i passed him and he is always competitive. He was sliding around like he was on ice. Now they may work on your sportsman cause of the weight to get the heat in them. I say give us all our dam tires back…and take offs will be around for people…you cannot stop the guy with the money to buy new ones unless you do something like the bar code thing…Ted if there was a tire purchase rule would you be able to control it at the track you work at ?? Fascar doesnt pay there drivers enouph $$$$$ thats why they dont have any dam cars…Maybe if they quit changing the dam rules all the time some of us citrus…desoto… A dale and p.g. drivers would come over and race in our off weeks. but the mods get at least 600 or 650 for a regular nite!!!
I’m starting to really like the 10 inch tires on the modifieds. They might as well let us have 10 inch wheels, fab spindles, hubs, and better brakes. The outlaw latemodels in Georgia are gaining popularity, no reason I can see that Florida modifieds can’t become real Florida outlaw modifieds. This might be what florida needs. I still like the emods at FASCAR for modified drivers that need to race on a smaller budget.
Hey FASCAR just do it and see who has the balls to go really fast. It would be another class they don’t have at other tracks. The guys that complain can then be called chickenshit. LOL Turn OSW into floridas MADHOUSE !
Making a tire per night rule can be done if the tire man with go for it, they have a scanner at nss to check when your tires where bought so it should’nt be a problem. Hell if I have to I will keep track of the tires at Adale, if it will help the state of things I’m game. One thing I know for sure is what we have is not working for me, or anybody else sound like. I sure would like to hear some more about what others options we have, maybe someone will hear us.
The “alliance” has everything just the way they want it. And everybody thought they went to a common tire for the benefit of the racer.