Per FASCAR Competition Director Ricky Brooks, the RUMOR regarding the Ltd Spec Motors NOT being legal for Pro Late Models in 2013 is FALSE.
Then it needs to be called something other then a Pro Late Model Series, if it has a spec model it is not a pro late. It confusses the fans and racers from out of state. Just my opinion.
Rob
I agree with Rob they need to call it something else . I dont think it should be both . I have built a car and have not bought a motor yet . just because I am trying to figure out whats going to work best crate motor or spec there are pros and cons to both .
It needs to be crate motors only…I don’t understand why New Smyrna always gives into a couple of guys that are close with the track over making a solid rule that is good for the series. They said at the beginning of the year that they would have to switch to a crate motor after this year, then they say the rumors are false that you can’t run them. Stick to your gut, you will get more cars if it is a fair class, not some cheated up spec motor where the fast qualifier is almost a half second faster than everyone else and nobody says anything. What is the downside to making it a crate only class, I don’t get the call.
yea and these guys only show up for the big races they dont support the track weekly. I thought I read that also in the rule book at one time. about in 2013 going to all pro late rules . thats ok going to still go with crate motor and just will not race it here will just go north . you would think after seeing how many people are running crate motors in the emod class , sportmans and super stock they would get it .
I read that as well, thats what I was referring to but now I can’t find it. I swear it was announced on this site and the NSS site that they would be going to crates only at the end of this season so the guys with the LLM spec motors would have one year to make the change. I can’t find it on here now.
Unless something changed that I’m not aware of, the motor that won the pro late race at the Gov Cup was a crate motor. What’s the problem? Also both types of motors are allowed north of here as well. If not, there is a bigger problem than the argument trying to be made in this thread.
Tim where did you read that the spec motor is allowed up north under the prolate rules I would like to print out. because thats the reason I dont want to buy a spec motor and then cant go to other tracks out of the state thanks.
I may be assuming too much. I would contact Ricky Brooks after this weekend settles down and speak with him about it. Let us know what the answer is. Thanks
Spec. and crate
Would somebody tell me what is called a crate and what is called a spec. motor, Looked at a engine builders site and they had crates at like 400 to 415 HP ( ford and chevy) and what they called equalizer crates with like 475 to 495 HP. Like in the snowball derby, what motor does the snowflake car and the snowball car have to run. I’m from Ohio and the late models I owned all had like 13 to 1 , aluminum head 550 to 575 HP. Please explain to me these motors, spec and crate. Thanks
5 Flage is the only other track that I’ am a were of. I know I still have some work today but to pick up a 1/2 second or more is alot.
The limited spec motor is allowed at Pensacola mobile Montgomery and opp for sure because we ran it at all those tracks this year same rules as nss
Also mike garvey won the last pro race at Pensacola with a limited spec motor
Below is straight off the five flags web site…where does it say you can run a limited spec motor? Looks like a Chevy 604 or a Ford 347/425LM to me, maybe I am missing something.
Engines
- GM # 88958604 with the following updates, 1.6 rocker rocker arms, Valve Spring Part # 12586484 from Phil Harper,
Comp Cam valve springs #941-16, Champ oil pan # CP106LTRB and Balancer. - Ford # M06007-D347-SR with 1.5 rockers.
- McGunegill Ford # ASA 425LM with 1.5 rockers.
All sealing bolts must remain as installed from factory. Removal of sealing bolts will result in
disqualification.
Would someone please tell me what a spec motor is or where I can look it up. I know what a fatory crate motor is and what we called a open motor which has very few rules. I know the lower divisions have special rules on heads, cam, valves, intake,carb but I don’t know what they call a spec motor.
What this refers to is the Limited Late Model Spec motor that was used in the Limited Late Model division, and a few companies (Progressive, Jimmy Cope, …), built them using the same parts, and then they sealed them like the crates are sealed. From what I understand, for 2012, you could run it “as is”, but had to weight 2900 with 56% left and a chip. Also, from what I understand, “as is”, is not an option next year. You can run the Spec motor, but you have to use a 1.15" restrictor plate. I ran my LLM Spec motor car with the Crates at Speedweeks last year with the restrictor plate for one night. BIG HORSEPOWER DROP WITH THE RESTRICTOR PLATE. So big, the next night I took it off and ran with the Supers the rest of the week. As far as I am concerned, they can do whatever they want, I am running with the Supers again.
the limited and super spec motor was the creation of don nerone and progressive to make a reliable less exspensive motor for the limited and super class. the majority of the limited cars (in central fl at least) have the spec motor probably 80-90 percent of the supers(in florida) have the super version of the spec motor. All these motors have the same parts progrssive, dave crume, jimmy cope are the only 3 engine builders allowed to build them. i know everybody thinks you can get different power levels of the spec motor i say to this bs put your money were your mouth is pick a motor you want and buy it out of the car if it is a motor built by one of these three builders it can be bought out of the car for the price of a new one. don’t say you can’t buy one of russells cause BJ bought it that night right out of the car two speedweeks ago. nss and pensacola rules are the same for supers and pros
False…below is out of the rule book from NSS, my post above is from five flags. Obviously not the same rules, there is no line four in the above five flag rules, crate motors ONLY, according to the rule book anyways.
ENGINES: ***** All engines found illegal WILL be confiscated by Officials *****
- GM # 88958604 with the following updates, 1.6 rocker rocker arms, Valve Spring Part # 12586484, Comp Cam valve springs #941-16, Champ oil pan # CP106LTRB and Balancer.
- Ford # M06007-D347-SR with 1.5 rockers.
- McGunegill Ford # ASA 425LM with 1.5 rockers.
- Fl Limited Spec with 1.150 governor.
I know all these motor options is super confusing. I am moving down there in january and have a late model which, according to the rules everywhere can be run as a super late or pro late. the difference seemed to be the super late was an open type motor or a 9 to 1 being the preffered options for most. the pro late sounded like crate motors only with some option for 2012 being a spec motor but not after 2012…also, was told the FUP deal was straight up open motors, big pocketbooks and dont bother with it unless my budget was unlimited and if I wanted to run any type of series, the brighthouse deal was a bit more cost effective but not much. kind of like the cra versus jegs deal up north. like I said, confusing as heck to me.
so, I decided & decided to cover my bases & buy a crate, then a 9 to 1 so i could run both classes. then I was told keep the crate, run the pro late class as it had the larger count for cars and then told the opposite from others and to get a spec motor, not a 9 to 1, & go run super lates…NUTS IS ALL I CAN SAY…LOL.
I picked up one of my crates from Harper’s today & it was reccomended to stick with the crate, run pro lates & if i wanna run super lates with the crate, only do so if the weight break is at least 150 pounds & only at 1/4 & 3/8 tracks otherwise dont bother as I wont finish in top 10. I do know the 5 options is crazy to me and dont understand why they dont use crates in both with a different tire and weight rule…that would make things alot easlier to follow or understand for anyone coming into this new…lol. Sounds like I will bring both crates, run pro lates, hope they dont allow anything but sealed, legal crates and go from there. guess if something else is needed and I have to spend a ton of money, might as well buy something that will be super good in pro lates and contending in super lates if desired to run but still dont follow why its all necccesary when it seems it could be simplified a ton, save some money for racers, draw some more cars, maybe even combine em & not be so confusing. either way, I am looking forward to getting down there & racing no matter. Im sure after a bit, I will be wondering or asking alot of the same things as you all…lol.
Is a LLM Open motor legal in Pro Late Model?