This all sounds so positive for the sport we all love but lets look a little deeper. DIS and Talledega are the only two big tracks that put on really close racing thanks to restrictor plates and in the past draft worthy cars. These tracks will always have a close finish or a “big one” both of which draw fans. The sad reality is that the other tracks other than the short tracks put on a follow the leader race with most passing happening in the pits. I try hard to pull for Reutimann but I know that in the absence of yellows he will be down a lap less than 50 into the race. What Nascar needs is a format change. Something radical like time trials heats and a consolation with a feature requiring only one green flag pit stop. In other word you have to race your way into the feature and you are not so dependant on aerodynamics to be the leader. Does this sound like a typical short track Saturday night. I wish!!!
In 2014, the Company intends to pursue incentives including those currently available to all other major sports venues in Florida. ISC will reevaluate additional potential amenities based on the outcome of those efforts.
Am I the only one that thinks that might be good for local tracks?
[QUOTE=Lurkin;128711]In 2014, the Company intends to pursue incentives including those currently available to all other major sports venues in Florida. ISC will reevaluate additional potential amenities based on the outcome of those efforts.
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I believe the incentives they refer to are for capital investments. How many of our short tracks can afford any capital improvements, let alone something that would qualify for these incentives? This was known as the Nascar loophole that was sneaked into the fiscal cliff bill last year. It was BS then and costs the taxpayers about $45 million this year and $95 million by 2017. You can read about it in this article from January. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/02/fiscal-cliff-wall-street_n_2397933.html
It looks like walking along the catch fence will be over and probably a good thing…
Tax breaks - If YOU or I received a tax break it would be a great thing, right? If a corporation gets one it’s bad? 
The fiscal cliff deals don’t cost the taxpayers at all. The congress that all of us choose to elect for whatever reasons, SPENDS the money… and they are the one’s that “COST” us out of our pockets, you know studying the sex life of earthworms and such.
Tax incentives have been done for many years, in fact Hillsborough county is about to throw millions at Amazon to get them to put a distribution center there.
Back to the track, overall it’s good for racing, good for the area and I don’t care if DIS makes money or not, it’s always my option to decide to spend mine with them.
[QUOTE=Lurkin;128711]In 2014, the Company intends to pursue incentives including those currently available to all other major sports venues in Florida. ISC will reevaluate additional potential amenities based on the outcome of those efforts.
Am I the only one that thinks that might be good for local tracks?[/QUOTE]
ISC/DIS/France family feel they are entitled to even more tax breaks than they currently have. The Florida State legislature and Florida tax payers see it differently. Besides, the city of Daytona has given them huge breaks on taxes and government supplied services for decades.
The tax breaks are to entice companies to move into Florida, or to switch cities in Florida, to bring in jobs. The France family believes they’re entitled to some of that money. They aren’t. They were shot down in Tallahasee. But that won’t stop them from trying again.
I don’t know of any reason that local short tracks would qualify for tax breaks any more than every single business in Florida would. So I don’t see tax breaks on the horizon for either size track in the future.
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Tax breaks - If YOU or I received a tax break it would be a great thing, right? If a corporation gets one it’s bad? The fiscal cliff deals don’t cost the taxpayers at all. The congress that all of us choose to elect for whatever reasons, SPENDS the money… and they are the one’s that “COST” us out of our pockets, you know studying the sex life of earthworms and such.
Tax incentives have been done for many years, in fact Hillsborough county is about to throw millions at Amazon to get them to put a distribution center there.
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Actually, with this particular bill the middle class ends up getting a tax increase, while a large profitable corporation got a huge break. On top of that, who do you think has to make up for the revenue the corporations don’t have to pay? We do so it is costing us substantially.
To me, one more example that NASCAR has no friggin clue.
How? If you don’t want to participate in the “neighborhoods” you simply don’t, you watch the race from your(new and wider) seat just like people have from the beginning of time.
I think he’s referring to the NASCAR grand re-modeling scheme overall. It does seem a little silly to spend 400 or so million to redo the stands on the frontstretch when NASCAR is in such a slump. Lipstick on a pig. But it’s their money, they can do what they want. And they always do.
Wow! That’s quite a description from you regarding one of the finest racing facilities in America…
It would be if that’s what I was talking about. But i think you’ll see that the conversation trail would point toward NASCAR racing in general. You know, no crowds, barely enough cars to put on a race, etc.
Daytona one of the finest racing facilities in America huh? Great track, lot’s of history, one of my favorite NASCAR tracks. But far from one of the finest in America. Even after the facelift happens.
This press release has really gotten some laughs on the internet. And I received a heads up that a sports writer over in Daytona even made fun of it in print.
“nothing ever happened on this globe, for good, at which some people did not have their fill of laughter in the outset” Charles Dickens
A new design for OSW is now in the works similar to what is being done at DIS… However, instead of “neighborhoods,” the sections will be called “trailer parks.”
" or for bad " afterthought from Charles Dickens
[QUOTE=Matt Albee;128799]It would be if that’s what I was talking about. But i think you’ll see that the conversation trail would point toward NASCAR racing in general. You know, no crowds, barely enough cars to put on a race, etc.
Daytona one of the finest racing facilities in America huh? Great track, lot’s of history, one of my favorite NASCAR tracks. But far from one of the finest in America. Even after the facelift happens.[/QUOTE]
There’s not much anyone says that you like, is there? There are still larger crowds are nascar events than most any other sporting event in this country. Daytona could be less than half full and still have more people in attendance than 95% of football teams, and have more than any baseball, basketball, or hockey team. Show me another sport that draws over 100,000 people a dozen or so times each year. Every one of their events is televised nationwide, and in many other countries. Next, show me a major series that draws more cars. Let me check my list real quick…F1, Indycar, Rolex, ALMS, ARCA…nope. None of them are even close to 43 cars per race. I’m not sure if Brian France kicked your kitten once or what, but I think you’re greatly exaggerating their demise.
A major race series that draws more than 43 cars? NHRA for one. SCCA for another. And I think if you double check the numbers, you’ll find that any Rolex weekend has far more than 43 cars on site.
Attendance? Well soccer ( outside the U.S. ) would easily be 100,000. So would a lot of F1 races.
Brian France would have trouble kicking anything, he can’t even stay off of the sidewalks on his drive home. He’d look like that poor kid on Charley Brown.
I’d say the NASCAR demise is pretty self evident, i’ve just noticed the many, many empty seats, the good tickets still for sale on the day of the race, and the slow but steady removal of seating to better reflect demand. Or in the case of Dover, using huge sections of unoccupied grandstands for sponsor banners. Not to mention the slide in tv ratings from the old days.
Or do I owe NASCAR an apology.
The thing about Daytona is the parking…and the cost of…WHY WOULDENT THE CITY STOP THE Ill sell you this spot for 30.00 and Ill watch your car for you crap at the Home Debut Target etc etc.The race brings in millions to the city, so the guy like me has to park for 25 35 bucks are u kiddin me.I own this grass,want to park???50 bucks rrrrrr I mean really Disney is cheaper
Rob
[QUOTE=Matt Albee;128986]A major race series that draws more than 43 cars? NHRA for one. SCCA for another. And I think if you double check the numbers, you’ll find that any Rolex weekend has far more than 43 cars on site.
Attendance? Well soccer ( outside the U.S. ) would easily be 100,000. So would a lot of F1 races.
Brian France would have trouble kicking anything, he can’t even stay off of the sidewalks on his drive home. He’d look like that poor kid on Charley Brown.
I’d say the NASCAR demise is pretty self evident, i’ve just noticed the many, many empty seats, the good tickets still for sale on the day of the race, and the slow but steady removal of seating to better reflect demand. Or in the case of Dover, using huge sections of unoccupied grandstands for sponsor banners. Not to mention the slide in tv ratings from the old days.
Or do I owe NASCAR an apology.[/QUOTE]
Are you even serious? Now comparing series with multiple classes? Come on man. Lets take Rolex for example, last weekend: They had 27 cars total, over all 3 classes. You’re just making pointless, silly arguments.
[QUOTE=rhinoracing11;128990]The thing about Daytona is the parking…and the cost of…WHY WOULDENT THE CITY STOP THE Ill sell you this spot for 30.00 and Ill watch your car for you crap at the Home Debut Target etc etc.The race brings in millions to the city, so the guy like me has to park for 25 35 bucks are u kiddin me.I own this grass,want to park???50 bucks rrrrrr I mean really Disney is cheaper
Rob[/QUOTE]
Not me. I park in the free parking and ride the bus in with the rest of the white trash.