After 5 pages for horse crap about the 800 tire is over.
now the real testers and builder of tires is ready to test the right tire for all over the us.
Hoosher has been working on this for a few years. The 800 is a bandade to the problem in a few aeries but as they said just hold on we got the right stuff.
I heard threw a birdie they had some at the snowball and will be testing at all the tracks in florida in the next few months.
The test info will not be withheld like the last internet test lol.
Im sure someone will think that the tire people are trying to trick them.
Just to funny
The funny thing is Don, the same 2 cars that tested the 800’s were asked to test this mystery tire, because the results from the first test were so thorough. The tire that I am being told they are going to test is a ribbed 750, which according to Hoosiers web site is not a new tire at all.
If you need help understanding this Ill explain, we tested 700’s which wore just like the 650’s we currently run on the rights. We tested the 800’s which were hard and made the car have less grip, and slowed the lap times down quite a bit.
Now they want to test the tire in the middle.
Tell me Don before I put more time on my car, are they going to be the answer to all of Florida’s tire wear issues, or are we just testing stuff for fun. Please enlighten me!!!
After doing the tire testing that I did, and racing on the 650/450, then I went to Pensacola for the derby and ran on the F53s, I say just put us on the F53s. They looked great after 50 hard laps on a really abrasive race track and they never slowed down. I’ll even give you some credit Don, that is the tire you chose for the sportsman series after the Goodyear tire debacle.
Sounds like the 800 is like the Comanche we used about 12-14 years ago… Very little grip in the turns, but one set lasted about 1/2 a season… Cheaper too. Remember costing about $85 a tire back then…
-JIM-
[QUOTE=ocalasp76;153471]Sounds like the 800 is like the Comanche we used about 12-14 years ago… Very little grip in the turns, but one set lasted about 1/2 a season… Cheaper too. Remember costing about $85 a tire back then…
-JIM-[/QUOTE]
Yep and gas was $1.00 and a pit pas was $15.00.
A street tire gone up 50% and race tires went up less for sure.
It cost me $65 for a 16" truck tire 15 years ago and they are $135 now.
In 1981 a Hoosher tire was $79 at Golden Gate.
a ford brand new when they started building them was $450.
Thing do go up
[QUOTE=Patrick Thomas 25;153470]The funny thing is Don, the same 2 cars that tested the 800’s were asked to test this mystery tire, because the results from the first test were so thorough. The tire that I am being told they are going to test is a ribbed 750, which according to Hoosiers web site is not a new tire at all.
If you need help understanding this Ill explain, we tested 700’s which wore just like the 650’s we currently run on the rights. We tested the 800’s which were hard and made the car have less grip, and slowed the lap times down quite a bit.
Now they want to test the tire in the middle.
Tell me Don before I put more time on my car, are they going to be the answer to all of Florida’s tire wear issues, or are we just testing stuff for fun. Please enlighten me!!!
After doing the tire testing that I did, and racing on the 650/450, then I went to Pensacola for the derby and ran on the F53s, I say just put us on the F53s. They looked great after 50 hard laps on a really abrasive race track and they never slowed down. I’ll even give you some credit Don, that is the tire you chose for the sportsman series after the Goodyear tire debacle.
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The f53 left the seen when the track read the board and all the drivers on here wanted a treaded tire.(rember)
To keep every one happy they changed and now here we go agin.
Patrick yes I do think you wasted ur time testing. t
The internet test will never be a official test. I do think the thought was good but think about it. Did you think the #1 short track tire co in the world was going to take ur word for a test that they were not at…NO !! There are 1500 tracks in the us and Hoosher supplies most of them.
so a few of you in florida take them on. look at some of the things on here that have been said about them. You should be glad that they even care enough to even come and spend there time and money.
I do know that Jeff cares about his coustmers and the few will not spoil his want to help the rest.
I don’t have a dog in the fight I just want the rest of the racers to see the other side.
This is where your memory is getting a little bit muddled Don. When we left Goodyear and went to Hoosier mid season 2008, the sportsman series was on a 8" threaded Goodyear, then with the Hoosier we went to the f53 slick.
At the same time, the then Fascar Sportsman cars were on 10" goodyears, when the Hoosier tire switch happened mid season 2008, they kept the Fascar sportsman cars on the Hoosier 10" tire.
It wasn’t until 2009 that the Fascar sportsman class switched to the threaded Hoosier, the tire we went to was the 650, the modifieds also changed to the threaded Hoosier, and after lots of complaining by them about a lack of grip the 450 was adopted as the left side for all classes that run on the Hoosier threaded tire.
Hopefully this tutorial will jog your memory of what has changed.
Don would make a GREAT politician. … re-write history for his own benefit, facts be damned.
And if you don’t buy into his made up narrative, YOU’RE the idiot.
FACTS have never gotten in the way of a story that sounds good.
Call me crazy, but let me throw this idea out there. I ran a V8 Warrior on dirt this summer. We have to run DOT radials, no racing tires allowed. I bought a new set of Cooper Cobra’s at the begining of the year. I ran the same 4 tires ALL season and they still look almost like new! The durometer reading did not change at all on them over the year. The car was faster at the end of the year than it was at the begining, due to dialing in the chassis.
It’s different, on asphalt you have to cut them down to get tire tread flex out and the tire Temps get hot and if it’s not a good tire it will chunk and get glazed. They make a good racing tire that’s cheaper and last as just as long but tracks can’t seem to realize this which is why this ad will be very long like the last one. Hopefully they can come up with something so that you can go to different tracks and run and use the same tire. It doesn’t matter if it slows down the cars as long as you can run them for a good 4 weeks and not fall off a half second, I’m no tire expert so maybe it’s harder than I think.
[QUOTE=Patrick Thomas 25;153478]This is where your memory is getting a little bit muddled Don. When we left Goodyear and went to Hoosier mid season 2008, the sportsman series was on a 8" threaded Goodyear, then with the Hoosier we went to the f53 slick.
At the same time, the then Fascar Sportsman cars were on 10" goodyears, when the Hoosier tire switch happened mid season 2008, they kept the Fascar sportsman cars on the Hoosier 10" tire.
It wasn’t until 2009 that the Fascar sportsman class switched to the threaded Hoosier, the tire we went to was the 650, the modifieds also changed to the threaded Hoosier, and after lots of complaining by them about a lack of grip the 450 was adopted as the left side for all classes that run on the Hoosier threaded tire.
Hopefully this tutorial will jog your memory of what has changed.
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Somewhere in there between the Goodyear and the Hoosier came the American Racer tire at some tracks. Personally, I liked the AR… In 2011 when I bought the OWM roller, it came with 2 sets of new AR tires and I had one set off my Sportsman…
-JIM-
Your right, we raced on them at Auburndale and they were the one best racing tire that I’ve raced on, it didn’t matter if you had new tires or not they didn’t really fall off, we would get six races off a right side and was winning races. We had 12 to 15 street stocks every week and when they went to the Hoosier 650 the car count fell off to 5 or 6 and still no cars. Same thing with citrus but these tracks want do nothing to change it.
and that right there is why the car counts at the dirt tracks are so much better than the pavement tracks- at least in the enduro/strictly/bomber/pure/thunder/warrior stock classes.
Guys are working on dialing in their chassis and driving, not buying tires every other week.
just my 2 cents- sorry for the hijack
@Racer1 and Scott Prentice- You guys make excellent points. And precisely give the reasons why I started the “other” thread. The undeniable fact that the 650/450 combo on support classes has hurt car counts because they wear out so quickly coupled with the reality that by buying four tires for your car (not working on your chassis) will make it handle better has just plain damaged local racing on many levels. It should be about learning chassis knowledge, not opening up your wallet, that makes support class racers cars handle better. Learning that you can’t afford to compete doesn’t help keep people in racing. Leaving a set of tires on your car for 4 races + (because they don’t fall off) helps you learn what chassis changes you make do to the car to make you more competitive. And yes, the by-product is a tighter more competitive field from top to bottom (once again, a better show for the fans). That’s exactly what the Hoosier 800 is capable of.
And to Don, I have no beef with the Hoosier parent company based in Indiana. They are a great company and provide many different tires for all types of racing. They are not the problem here. It is Jeff from the Hoosier Tire South distributor based in NC that I have an issue with. You seem to want to confuse people that the two different companies are one. They are not. Once again, as Patrick pointed out, you have a revisionist history. You conveniently leave out the facts that on this tire deal he has repeatedly made commitments that he has not followed through on. The only reason NSS, Patrick, Shannon Kelly and myself conducted the 800/700 tire test is because Jeff would not come down here to do it (after he stated he would). That coupled with the fact he got caught in multiple lies about the 800 and whether or not it had been tested in FL has drawn my ire. This is all detailed in the “other” thread. Now it appears he is claiming that the 750 is some “new” tire that Hoosier has been developing seems to be more bs from the same bull as the 750 has been around for a long time. If Jeff is such a great guy and cares so much about his customers and wants to help them, then why does he repeatedly LIE to them???
Can anyone tell us what DOESN’T cause a drop in car count? I’ve read that the high cost/low durability of race tires is the reason for the drop in competitor numbers. I’ve read that it’s the poor rules enforcement. I’ve read that it’s " them big motor cars ". I’ve read that it’s because no body calls the racers personally to invite them to the tracks. I’ve read that it’s the diesel prices that keep the toter homes parked. I’ve read that racers have vacations planned so they won’t be able to race. I’ve read that poorly managed series ( FUPS, what a dumb name for a series ) are the reason for low car counts. I’ve read that back gate prices are keeping the racers away. I’ve read that not allowing young children into the pits is keeping the racers away. And that’s only a few of the reasons i’ve heard.
Old School, this all started with the 650/450 without anyone’s malicious intent. If you read Patrick’s post above we all switched to the 650, then added the 450 to give the OWM’s the grip they wanted. Not wanting to have a bunch of different tires we all got put on them (this had worked out in the past). However, since then the OWM’s have switched tires and we were stuck on the surplus of 650/450. What’s disturbing is that Street Stocks and Pure Stock type cars started getting put on these also. These tires don’t last. It’s bad for support class racing, period. The “other” thread got momentum and Desoto, New Smyrna and Auburndale wanted to look at this issue. But we have encountered all types of resistance from Jeff the Hoosier DISTRIBUTOR (not Hoosier themselves) because in the short term, at least, he will sell less tires. Don has a family member that sells tires. I can appreciate and respect him for wanting to protect his family’s interests in wanting his kin’s business (and I’m not implying he makes a nickel from this) to be as profitable as possible, but he hardly “doesn’t have a dog in this fight”.
What’s funny is that Hoosier, the tire MANUFACTURER doesn’t seem to care which tire they provide as long it’s what suits the track’s needs. They are ok with providing the long lasting 800 ribbed tire or developing the new 2040 super tire slick. Or if you want a ton of grip and a short life then they’re happy providing the 450 or F40. They seem to be able to see the forest from the trees and understand what the track feels they need is what should be provided. I don’t own a racetrack or sell tires so I’m in no position to try and tell the powers that be what to do. All I have tried to do from day one on this crusade is to bring the reality of the situation to light, offer opinions, listen to others opinions, offer my help to the tracks that see this as an important issue and uncover the truth when things get shady. I, like everybody, want to see racing around here improve and grow. I feel this issue matters a lot in terms of that. And while I have a personal stake in this as to how far my $ go, it is not about spending less money but spending the same amount and racing more. Much more. Also I’d like to see this for the entry level classes so that our sport can grow again. In the “other” thread I stated while the 750 would be good for me, it is not good enough to help all the support divisions. When it seems to be a foregone conclusion that we will indeed change tires, imo we shouldn’t half-ass it, we should change to the tire will be good for everyone and give the best shot at growing the sport.
